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Yet Another Value Podcast · · 28 分钟

2026年5月随想录

Andrew Walker

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TL;DR
  • Walker的市场解读像一首音乐剧插曲:这盘行情什么都打不动。 他反复听到Crazy Ex-Girlfriend的《We'll Never Have Problems Again》,因为即使“伊朗战争、能源价格飙升”,再加上赤字和利率上行,市场仍一路突破历史高点;而且行情高度集中:标普年初至今上涨约10%,其中约5个百分点来自他称为“五只股票”的一组股票(点名了Google、Nvidia、Micron和AMD),前20大股票贡献的涨幅更超过标普全部涨幅。
  • 即使考虑到供给紧张,内存估值也已经“非常非常夸张”。 有形账面价值为50的公司,未来2年“可能赚到150”,但盈利周期过去后,股价仍相当于未来2年有形账面价值的4-5倍。“这不可持续”:供给可能来自中国晶圆厂、寡头格局破裂、超大规模云厂商自建内存,或通过工程手段绕开内存瓶颈。他强调自己是AI乐观主义者,不是AI怀疑论者;担忧在于估值和周期性。
  • 那些最聪明的VC反复宣称“周期已转为结构性”,反而是他最强烈的警报。 这让他想起2006-07年“宏观周期已死”的论调——他认为那或许避免了衰退,却换来了“基本上是一场大萧条”——以及“边际价格不可能永远是边际成本的5,000倍……我们一定会迎来一个周期,而且我对此相当有把握”。
  • 谈到AI和投资职业,他的结论是:“感觉我们基本没戏了。” 投资者的工作可以归结为模式识别或分析,而AI两者都胜过——“我一天或许能读完4份10-K,AI 4秒就能读400份10-K。”他承认,量化投资被机器学习击败已经持续了几十年;他担心的是,定性投资的优势也会不断收窄。他唯一的反论点是,AI的持续优化可能让市场变得更脆弱,因此超额收益或许会转移给那些能够“等到脆弱性出现,等到左尾”的人。
  • 读你2016-2023年的信件,或许就能猜出你对AI的看法;这种缺乏灵活性的现象让他不安,包括他自己。 他指出,许多知名做空者基于折旧、经济性和循环交易逻辑做空CoreWeave;而科技投资者往往接受“4年内实现AGI”的判断,并认定周期已经过去。他不明白,为什么宏观投资者没有转向革命性AI的看法,科技投资者也没有转向“AI被过度炒作”的看法。他反省自己:很早就开始使用相关工具,却没有做空任何SaaS公司、没有买入半导体股,尽管曾长期研究破产电力公司,也没在电力交易上赚到钱。
  • MicroStrategy现在实际上就是优先股市场,而他做多Bitcoin、做空MicroStrategy。 MSTR占2025年股权发行量的8%,2026年至今为10%,今年更占优先股发行量的60%(他认为去年是33%);如果Bitcoin从75,000跌至50,000,而公司面对100亿美元以上、票面利率10%的优先股,“永动机”逻辑就会反转,并可能“引爆整个优先股类别”。
  • 一名CFO从一家约5亿美元的公司转去一家约1亿美元的公司担任同一职务,是一个“非常独特”的信号。 Artem Fokin提到,这种跳槽通常意味着薪酬下降,也可能是在用行动押注小公司的股权;但也可能意味着他在大公司不堪重负,或是在逃离“一段非常颠簸的旅程”——“大概三者都有”。
摘要 · 为研究而整理的核心内容

1. 没有什么能打穿这轮行情——《We'll Never Have Problems Again》

  • Walker借用Crazy Ex-Girlfriend中一对有毒的、反复复合情侣所唱的《We'll Never Have Problems Again》,来形容这个似乎什么都不在乎的市场:“伊朗战争、能源价格飙升”、赤字、利率上行,一切风险都摆在台面上,但“股市就是一路涨、涨、涨”,不断创下历史新高。他认为风险确实存在,市场整体估值也更加紧绷,但并非每一只股票的估值都已失控。
  • 他给担忧者的能源反驳是:霍尔木兹海峡重新开放的截止时间一再推迟——先是“如果4月初还没开放,就会是一场灾难”,后来变成4月底,再后来变成5月中旬——而油价本身会调节供需。油价到100美元时,“很多在60、70美元价格下不具经济性的能源产能都可以上线”,同时高油价也会破坏需求。他最后坦白道:“我也不知道,伙计。”
  • 集中度数据很直观:标普年初至今上涨约10%,其中约一半涨幅来自他称为“五只股票”的一组股票;他点名的4只股票是Google、Nvidia、Micron和AMD。把范围扩大到前20只股票,“标普的涨幅甚至不止全部来自这20只股票”。如果你的仓位没有覆盖这些股票,“基本就是跑输”。与此同时,一些必选消费股的估值已经接近“全球金融危机时期的水平”,约为自由现金流的7倍,但盈利并没有断崖式风险。
  • 太空热潮也一样:随着SpaceX IPO临近,所有太空相关标的在10天内上涨约50%。Walker原本不相信有人能抢跑这件事——“市场没那么容易”——但现在只能承认:“结果我猜市场就是这么容易。”这还没有达到互联网泡沫时期的极端水平,但买入内存股、看着它们每周上涨20%甚至可能还算保守,或者随便买一只半导体股,就能跑赢那些被忽视的细致估值研究;对主动投资者而言,“非常令人沮丧”。

2. 有形账面价值20倍的内存股:供给总会出现

  • 他始终绕不过去的算术是:内存公司交易在有形账面价值的约20倍;以50的账面价值计算,未来2年“可能赚到150”,但经历这样一轮巨额盈利周期后,股价仍相当于未来2年有形账面价值的4-5倍。“这不可持续。”他强调,自己是AI乐观主义者,不是AI怀疑论者;真正令他担忧的是估值和周期动态。
  • 他列出的供给响应路径包括:中国晶圆厂;内存寡头格局——“最终它们总会被打破,总会把供给带出来”;超大规模云厂商自行建设内存,因为“这是瓶颈,瓶颈总会被解决”;以及“通过工程手段以某种方式绕开内存”。
  • 即使AI需求不会下降,需求变化的速度最终也必须放缓;否则资本会过度建设整个行业,边际价格不可能永远是边际成本的5,000倍。最终,“我们一定会迎来一个周期”。
  • 他最担心的,恰恰是那些宣称周期已经消失的人——“我非常尊重的、极其聪明的VC和市场历史学家”——认为内存和半导体已经“从周期性变成结构性,需求会永久存在”。这让他想起2006-07年“宏观周期已死”的论调。他说,那些预测者或许确实判断对了市场不会陷入衰退,因为最后的结果是“基本上变成了一场大萧条,而不是衰退”。他的判断没有保留:“我们一定会迎来一个周期,而且我对此相当有把握。”

3. “我们基本没戏了”——除非AI优化让市场变得脆弱

  • 在他看来,投资者的工作可以归结为模式识别或分析,是“同一把剑的两面”;而AI两者都胜过:“我一天或许能读完4份10-K,AI 4秒就能读400份10-K”,还能近乎即时地回测“投资史上的全部经验”。即便暂时不考虑今天的幻觉问题,“3年后、5年后我们面对的AI会是什么样,我不知道。感觉我们基本没戏了。”
  • 他承认,量化投资早已被机器学习击败了几十年。真正让他担心的是,AI也会越来越深入定性投资,削弱人类的相对优势,让所有人能够获取的超额收益越来越少。
  • 他回忆Buffett的说法:“如果你是一个拥有60个智商点的投资者,就应该卖掉30个智商点,因为太聪明可能是一种负担。”那么,一群拥有200个智商点的AI会不会反而创造机会?他不相信人类可以简单地给AI设陷阱:“AI可能已经见过你所有的招数。”
  • 他目前的假设是:优化会制造脆弱性。LTCM是他最经典的例子;他记得LTCM崩溃与所谓“17个标准差的波动”有关,被描述为1万年一遇的事件。但在市场里,类似波动可能每3年或5年就会出现一次——“我也不知道”——因为市场存在肥尾。如果AI压缩了短期超额收益,剩余的超额收益或许属于那些能够“等市场走完,等到脆弱性出现,等到左尾”的人。

4. 灵活性:你过去的信件可能预示你对AI的看法

  • 他的观察是:读一名投资者2016年至2023年的信件,通常就能猜出对方的AI立场。他指出,许多知名做空者基于折旧、经济性和循环交易逻辑做空CoreWeave——“Nvidia投资CoreWeave,然后CoreWeave再买Nvidia的GPU”;而那些深耕科技行业的投资者,往往认为AI就是未来、周期已经结束,并会在“4年内实现AGI”。
  • 他觉得这种跨圈层判断的缺失很奇怪:2016-20年的宏观投资者,难道不该在2023年认识到AI具有革命性?同样,长期看好Google、Facebook等公司的科技投资者,难道不该识别出AI被过度炒作?他说自己想不到这样的例子。
  • 把问题投射回自己身上:他算是“相当早”开始使用Claude、Cowork等AI工具的人,但“你没有做空任何SaaS公司”,没有买入半导体股;尽管自己过去长期研究破产电力公司,“也没在买入电力交易上赚到钱”。他怀疑,自己是否过于依赖早先“电力都是商品”的判断,以至于没能及时看到电力正在变成瓶颈。

5. MicroStrategy实际上就是优先股市场——以及一名CFO在押注自己的选择

  • 先说利益披露:Walker目前“稍微做着一点多Bitcoin、空MicroStrategy的交易”。规模数据是:MSTR占2025年股权发行量的8%,2026年至今占10%,今年更占优先股发行量的60%;相比之下,他认为去年这一比例是33%——“MicroStrategy现在就是优先股市场。”
  • 所谓“永动机”的运行方式是:以高于NAV的价格发行股票,买入Bitcoin,NAV上升,再重复这一过程。但如果Bitcoin从75,000跌至50,000,而公司背负100亿美元以上、票面利率10%的优先股,“这个循环到了另一面就完全不好看了”;如果未来18-24个月MSTR仍占优先股发行量的60%,一次负面事件就可能“引爆整个优先股类别”。
  • 他建议读一遍MSTR的Q1电话会和演示文稿。一个成熟的读者首先可能会觉得:“这是一个非常有意思的思路。”但随后会发现,公司以10%的成本发行优先股来买入Bitcoin,同时假设Bitcoin每年上涨20%:“这等于免费。真不知道他们怎么能把事情做到这么疯狂。”
  • Artem Fokin的一位朋友提到,一家规模约1亿美元的公司从一家规模约5亿美元的公司挖来一名CFO,担任同样的职务。这种变动“非常独特”:如果是首席会计官升任CFO,或者还算得上晋升,那么从大公司转去小公司会更容易理解;但同级跳槽通常意味着薪酬下降,也可能是在用行动押注小公司的股权。另一种解释是,他在大公司已经不堪重负、不留恋那家公司,或是在逃离“一段非常颠簸的旅程”。
  • Walker在这两家公司都没有仓位。他认为,这个信号可能反映的是管理团队、加入的公司,或离开的公司——“大概三者都有”。他越来越关注这类反常案例。
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Andrew Walker

All right, hello and welcome to yet another weekly podcast. I'm your host Andrew Walker. It is Wednesday, May 27, and today I am going to do my monthly random ramblings. As always—I say this every time—I feel like it was much more of a ramble than normal, but I am going to ramble on about 5 different topics today.

I am going to start off just talking about the state of the markets. Then we are going to move on to my worries about AI taking our jobs as investors—as, quote-unquote, I don't know if “intellectual” is the right word, but I worry about AI coming for the knowledge economy—and maybe where there is some hope and opportunity. Wrapped inside of all of that will be thoughts on memory stocks and the AI companies just screaming higher constantly.

I do worry when you hear people saying, “Hey, we're done with cycles” in industries that have historically been very, very cyclical. Eventually, there will be a supply response, so we are going to talk about that.

Next, I have thoughts on flexibility. It strikes me that if I knew you had been kind of bearish on the macro for the past 10 years, I probably would have guessed that you were also bearish on AI companies, AI, and everything else. And if I knew that you were really tech-forward, probably long Google because you thought Google was the future, and really into Tesla, I probably would have correctly guessed that you were bullish on AI.

It seems like there is a lack of flexibility there, where how you viewed the world for the past 10 years was going to be how you viewed the world currently. I am going to try to apply that lens to myself. I missed a lot of AI trades, so anyway, that is the 3rd thing.

The 4th thing is preferred equity as it relates to MicroStrategy. My God, it never ends. For disclosure, I have a little position in the MicroStrategy Bitcoin trade.

And finally, some thoughts on company managements and what you think about when you see a company moving from one thing to another—in particular, moving from a bigger company to a smaller company. But we will get there in 1 second. We're going to go to my monthly random ramblings in 1 second, but first a word from our sponsors. Today's podcast is sponsored by fiscal.ai. Fiscal.ai is a modern financial data provider for global equities. In addition to their web-based terminal, Fiscal is one of the leading data connectors for Claude and ChatGPT. With their self-serve API, you can connect in real-time fundamental data directly to your LLM. And look, I said it in podcast before and I'll say it again. I am They're not just an advertiser. I've been doing lots of cool stuff with Claude and Co-worker in particular building all sorts of bots and tools and I needed a API, so guess what? I signed up with my own money, tossed my own credit card down and said, "Hey, fiscal.ai, I I need you guys to plug into my Claude Co-worker for me so I can keep building these cool tools and have access to real-time fundamental data and stock prices and everything." And that includes more than 20 years of financial statements, ratios, filings, segments, KPIs, and all sorts of other things. Unlike other providers, their data updates within minutes of earnings reports, not days. So, whether you want powerful out-of-the-box terminal or the real-time AI connector with the API, you can use my link at That's fiscal.ai/yav to get 15% off. And they'll be a link in the show notes, too. Okay, let's start disclaimer. Nothing on this podcast is investing advice and the podcast full disclaimer full disclaimer in the show notes. Let's hop on into it.

So, the 1st thing I want to talk about is the state of the markets. I am recording this on Wednesday, May 27, in the afternoon. I did a tweet earlier this month that I thought was a banger. I thought it was hilarious. I think all my jokes are funny.

I used to watch this show called Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. I watched about 5 episodes. If you put anything with a musical in it, I watch it. I will sign up. My wife and I watched a few episodes of it, and we enjoyed it. I am not sure why I stopped.

They had this song in it. It is a banger. It is catchy. It is called “We'll Never Have Problems Again.” It is about an on-again, off-again boyfriend and girlfriend who are in a toxic relationship and get back together. The song is them joking and singing, “We'll never have problems again. We're just—it's all sunshine and rainbows from here.”

I just keep thinking about that song as it relates to the stock market recently. It does not matter what is thrown at it. Obviously, the headline of this year would be the war with Iran and energy prices skyrocketing. There are deficits, interest rates rising—whatever you want to talk about. It just does not matter. The stock market just seems to go up and up and up.

I keep sitting here, and I am sure I am not the only one. I see all these geopolitical issues and all this stuff. I do not see stress across the board in valuations, but market-wide, I think valuations are more stressed, and we are just screaming through all-time highs every day.

I keep thinking, “We'll never have worries again.” I know it is interesting. I have had a lot of people talk to me about the energy situation—not asking if I am worried, but just saying that they are worried about it. It really is interesting to think about the energy situation.

Again, I am recording this on May 27. Maybe the Strait of Hormuz is open tomorrow; maybe it is not. I do not know. They are worried that prices are going a lot higher, and they are worried about the knock-on effects of that and what is happening in emerging markets.

My counter to that would be that there are always worries about energy prices and all this sort of stuff. When the Strait of Hormuz situation happened, you heard people saying, “If this isn't open by the beginning of April, it is going to be a disaster.” Then it was the end of April, and it was, “Oh, it is mass destruction. It is the middle of May.” Now it is just like, I do not know.

Oil is one thing where demand destruction and adjustment happen. You can have shocks, but there is a real incentive, and there is a lot of energy outside of the market that can come online. When oil was at $100, there was a lot of energy that was not economic at $60 or $70, and there is a lot of demand destruction.

I just do not know, man. I do not know on energy. But I do see a lot of risks, and the market just keeps powering ahead.

The reason it is powering ahead is not lost on anyone who is following the market. The number-one headliner would be the AI play and all the tech knock-on effects. The number 2 would be all of the space plays over the past—particularly—the past 10 days, as we geared up for the SpaceX IPO.

You would hear people a month or 2 ago saying, “Hey, you want to buy some of these to get ready for the SpaceX hype.” I was very dismissive of that because I thought, “Oh, the markets aren't that easy.” It turns out I guess the markets are that easy, because my God, everything space-related has to be up 50% in the past 10 days. Jesus.

Anyway, the market is really powering ahead largely because of the AI plays, and the secondary effect would be the space-related plays. The reason I think that is interesting is 2-fold.

Number 1, things that are not in the AI trade—things that are not clearly in the AI trade—are trading very differently. I saw 1 statistic that I do not think is quite accurate, but if you are an AI play, you are at all-time highs, have perfect multiples, and are priced for perfection. Anything else is trading like there are a lot of consumer staples trading at global financial crisis levels.

I know some consumer staples companies that are not growing and are probably struggling a little bit, but they are trading for about 7 times free cash flow. It is not like the earnings are about to fall off a cliff. Yes, there are GLP-1 issues and all this sort of stuff, but it is just really interesting.

The other thing is the AI trade. Bubble, not bubble—I do not know. You have probably heard me talk a thousand times about how intrigued I am by AI, all the interesting AI tools I am finding, and all this sort of stuff. I am an AI optimist.

But on the valuations, you start looking at these things, and the past month or 2 has been driven a lot by the semiconductor indices and the memory indices. You look at these things and you look at the valuations, and there is going to be—right now, we are in a supply crunch. There is no question about it. Prices are going up. These companies are going to make money. There is no doubt about it.

But there is going to be a supply response at some point. You look at some of the memory players, and they are trading for about 20 times tangible book. They are probably going to earn, you know, if their tangible book is $50, they are probably going to earn $150 over the next 2 years.

They are still trading at 4 to 5 times 2-years-forward tangible book value after this huge profit cycle. It is just not sustainable. There is going to be supply coming online, whether that is from the Chinese fabs or elsewhere.

Memory supply is an oligopoly, but eventually they always break, and they always bring supply online. If prices stay up here, you are going to see the hyperscalers themselves and the AI companies themselves start building out memory supply, because it is just too much.

It's a bottleneck. It always gets built. Supply always comes online, or they're going to start engineering around memory in some way. I know there's a profitable cycle here, but a lot of these—and I'm not an AI skeptic—valuations look really, really stretched to me.

The last thing I'll point out is the stretch. I think, as an investor, I'm not going to say I know what it felt like to be investing in the dot-com bubble, because in the dot-com bubble, value stocks were going down 10% to 20% every year while no-revenue, crazy dot-com startups just attached “.com” to the name and they'd be up 50% a day, right?

That's not the current market, but you kind of get the feeling of what it was like when all you had to do was say, “I think memory is short,” buy memory, and it just goes up 20% every week—and that might be conservative—or say, “Hey, there's a lot of semiconductors in AI. Let's buy any semiconductor stock.”

If you're doing any detailed work on a value stock, no one cares. You kind of get the feeling. I put up a post today about how concentrated the market is. The S&P is up roughly 10% so far this year. Five percentage points of that are from Google, Nvidia, Micron, and AMD. That's half the gains from these five stocks.

If you expand it to 20 stocks, more than all of the S&P's gains have come from these 20 stocks so far this year. This is a hyper-concentrated market on one specific bet. If you were not in that bet at all, you're underperforming, basically. Yes, you could have bought a biotech that's going up 200%, but pretty much, if you had any underexposure to these specific themes, you're massively down. Everything outside of it is flat, down, or getting hit for the most part.

Again, it's not the extremes of the dot-com bubble. I'm not saying it's a bubble. It's just that, as an active investor, it is very frustrating and a weird market to be involved in when you see one pocket priced for perfection, continuous, constant growth, and every other pocket getting left behind.

Speaking of AI, just sticking with AI, the other thing I think about a lot—and I get a lot of inbounds from people—is that I'm very bullish on AI, but I'm very nervous as an investor. Again, this is my random rambling, so I'm just rambling here. That probably felt pretty unscripted, but sticking with AI, in my former life, I was a consultant.

AI—I’m worried it is coming for all of our jobs. To use the kids' term, I am worried that we are cooked by AI. I get a lot of people emailing me and saying, “Hey, Andrew, why are you so worried about AI?” “Oh my God, Andrew, I can't even remember what the term is. Are you AI-pilled?” I don't know what it is. “AI psychosis?” I can't remember, but people accuse me of AI psychosis.

People ask why I'm so worried. As an investor, your job is one of 2 things. You could say your job is pattern recognition, right? I recognize that this is a good setup to buy the stock. These are 2 sides of the same sword: I've studied the markets, I've studied a lot, and I know when I see a good pattern, and I invest in the pattern. That's 1.

Or you could say it's analysis. I read a lot on these companies, I read a lot on these events, and I do analysis and find something that the market is missing, and that presents a risk-adjusted opportunity. I think I've seen the same thing with the 2.

Why am I worried about AI? If you think of AI, I can read 4 10-Ks in a day, maybe. AI can read 400 10-Ks in 4 seconds. I can pattern-match based on what I've seen. At this point, I'm starting to get the gray hairs—20-ish years of investing experience. AI can have all the investing experience in history, do all the backtesting, and test almost instantaneously, right?

If I'm saying that you, as an investor, are a pattern-recognition machine or an analytical machine, AI has got you beat on both of those fronts, right? Yes, maybe the AI we're dealing with today has too many flaws and too many hallucinations, but the AI we're dealing with 3 years from now, 5 years from now, I don't know. It feels very much like we're cooked.

I know one pushback people would make is, “Hey, Andrew, if you were doing quantitative investing, that's been beaten by machine learning for decades.” The answer is yes, that's true, but I'm worried it's going to start coming for qualitative investing more and more, or the edge diminishes. I don't know—there's less alpha for everyone.

There is 1 interesting counterpoint I've been thinking about today. If you just listen to me, I basically said, “Hey, I'm worried that AI is smarter and faster than all of us.” What happens when you build an AI that is the equivalent of a 200-IQ human, a 300-IQ human, or a 400-IQ human?

Here's the interesting thing: Buffett famously said that if you're an investor with 60 IQ points, you should go and sell 30 IQ points, because being too smart can be a liability in the market. If you've got all these AIs that are investing with a 200 IQ, does that actually create opportunity for investors? I don't know, because I think people are too dismissive of AI when they're saying this.

I could imagine a world where you have all these 200-IQ computers going around and investing. There's a Suits thing where Wharton MBAs come and talk to the lawyers and say, “We went to Wharton. We learned all of your tricks in college, in grad school, or something, in business school,” right?

I'm worried people think, “As a human, I can create these traps that will lure AI into investing in the stock and create an overvaluation or something.” I think AI is probably going to have seen all your tricks. It's going to be that smart.

What I wonder is, if you think about what happens with AI and machine learning, it optimizes. It keeps optimizing. I wonder if AIs are already really involved in investing—maybe we're already there, I don't know. You could say the same thing about indexing, but I wonder if, as AIs get really involved in investing, the increase in optimization actually makes markets more fragile, right?

The world is filled with fat tails. The 1 thing you learn when you see these quantitatively really smart guys, really smart hedge funds, blow up is that it tends to be a left-tail event that gets them. The classic example would be Long-Term Capital Management, right? They had this perfect thing, and if they could have held through and never gotten a margin call or anything, they probably would have made a fortune.

But there were margin calls, and there was what did they say? A 17-standard-deviation move that blew them up, once every 10,000 years. In markets, you kind of get a 17-standard-deviation move once every 3 years, once every 5 years—I don't know. I know that by definition that's a paradox, but markets just have fat tails. There is no such thing as that.

I wonder if, as AIs start investing more, the system gets more optimized, so in the short term there's less alpha, but it gets more fragile. If you're the person who can wait out markets and wait for the fragility, wait for the left tail, I wonder if there's more alpha there.

Again, I'm rambling. I don't know, but it's something I've been thinking about. I am very worried about humans—consulting, investing, everything—because AI is coming. It's fast, it's here, and it's only going to get better. But I do wonder if there's something on the other end where there is light at the end of the tunnel, at least for investors who are able to take care of that.

Speaking of AI, 1 thing I've been thinking about for me personally is flexibility. I was going to say I don't mean flexibility in the can-you-touch-your-toes way, but I actually do mean that. For the past 2 years, I've had a mobility project. As you get older, the joints get creakier and all that, but neither here nor there.

I've been thinking about flexibility in terms of this: if I've known an investor for 10 years, or I've read their investor letters from, let's say, 2016 to 2023, I can guess pretty well what their take on AI is going to be. A lot of famous short sellers are short CoreWeave, and a lot of these guys are saying, “Hey, the depreciation doesn't make sense, the economics don't make sense, this is a bubble, this is a cycle.”

I'm not saying they're right or wrong. This is a bubble. This is circular: Nvidia invests in CoreWeave, and then CoreWeave buys the Nvidia GPUs. Maybe Nvidia invests in the customer that's running the GPUs from CoreWeave. A lot of people accuse it of circularity.

If I had read your letters from 2016 to 2023, I would have been able to guess if you were kind of short AI on that thesis and claiming it was a bubble. I probably would have been able to guess if you were a really tech-forward person and thought this was a memory cycle higher for longer. We should talk about the memory cycle 1 more time in a second.

I probably could have guessed if you thought AI was going to revolutionize the world, drive 5% GDP growth going forward, buy everything AI, and maybe sell everything else. I could probably guess just based on how you were as an investor and your mindset.

I've been thinking about that. The fact that so many people—everyone who was doing macro—instantly said Nvidia is a bubble, Nvidia and AI and everything is a bubble, watch out, get ready.

The fact that everybody who was more into the tech weeds was instantly saying, “Hey, AI is the future—the memory cycle’s over, the semiconductor cycle’s over, higher for longer, it’s going to take over the world, and we’re going to have AGI within 4 years,” just seems weird to me. I’ve been wondering, “Where’s the mental flexibility?” I’m talking about other people, but I’m also projecting: “Am I being mentally flexible enough in everything?”

I think I’ve been experimenting with AI in particular, but I haven’t really invested in anything AI-related. I’m looking at it and saying, “Hey, Andrew, you were playing around with these tools, but you didn’t short any SaaS companies.” I don’t do a lot of shorting, but you didn’t short any SaaS companies. Shouldn’t you have seen that based on the play?

I think I was reasonably early to using Cowork and all this sort of stuff as an investor. I was kind of early on that, but I didn’t think, “Oh, this has bigger legs than people think. Maybe we should be buying—pick your semiconductor stock. I don’t know.” Or on the power trade: I looked at a lot of power. I have a history of investing in bankrupt power companies, and I didn’t make any money buying power trades.

I’ve just been thinking, “Hey, Andrew, were you too wedded to the idea that, in 2016, when you thought, ‘All power is a commodity,’ you didn’t see what could happen and what became a bottleneck?” I’ve been thinking about how strange it seems that, having read someone’s letters for 5 years in a completely different market environment, you could have predicted how they would think about AI. Shouldn’t there have been people who did macro from 2016 to 2020 who, in 2023, were saying, “AI is going to be revolutionary”?

Or shouldn’t there have been someone who was investing in Google, investing in Facebook, and all this sort of stuff who, when AI started coming out, said, “Hey, actually, I think all of this is overhyped”? I feel like there should have been some, but I don’t know of anything, and it seems strange.

Sorry for rambling, but back to the state of the market: one thing that has worried me is that there are a lot of really sharp VCs, market historians, stock market guys, and tech guys whom I have a lot of respect for and learn a lot from. It worries me that so many of them are saying the cycles are over—not economic cycles, but memory cycles and semiconductor cycles. We’ve gone from cyclical to structural. There’s just permanent demand forever. I feel like I’ve heard this before about a lot of different things, and it always comes right before the cycle hits even harder.

I think the famous example would be 2006 or 2007, when people started saying, “Hey, macro cycles are dead. With the Fed and our tools, we can engineer the economy to avoid recessions.” Maybe they were right, because we basically had a depression instead of a recession after they were saying that, but I really worry. I hear you: the demand for memory is huge, the demand for semiconductors is huge, and AI is just pulling everything in.

But you just do not have these businesses where it is a commodity at its core; billions of dollars get pumped in. It’s just impossible to avoid. Eventually, people are going to have a supply response. They’re going to build, and eventually the demand is going to tick down a little—or even if it doesn’t tick down a little, the rate of change needs to come down a little.

But even if that doesn’t happen, eventually you just overbuild the crap out of it, and eventually you’re going to have a cycle. Eventually you’re going to be overbuilt, and eventually the marginal price can’t be 5,000 times the marginal cost forever. It’s going to happen. We’re going to have a cycle, and I feel pretty confident in saying that.

Let’s go to the last 2 things. I’ll keep these quick, because I don’t even know how long I’ve been rambling, to be honest. [Laughter.] One thing I’ve been obsessed with is—full disclosure—I’ve got a little bit of the long Bitcoin, short MicroStrategy trade on, and I’ve had it on and off for a while. I’ve just been obsessed with this trade.

Last year, I wrote a lot about the digital asset companies and how silly I thought they were. MicroStrategy is the largest, and they’re very creative in finding ways to finance themselves, but ultimately you’re financing a financial asset with 10% preferred equity and all these things. To me, it doesn’t add up.

One thing I’ve been thinking about is this: I encourage anyone who’s interested in the markets to read MicroStrategy’s Q1 earnings call and look at their Q1 slide deck. It’s crazy. MicroStrategy was 8% of the equity issuance in 2025. They’re 10% of the equity issuance so far in 2026. I’m sure that will go down as you have the SpaceX IPO and the Anthropic IPO, but these guys are hitting the capital markets at a scale that we’ve never seen.

The one that really blows my mind is that they are 60% of the equity issuance in preferred equity so far this year. I think they were 33% of the equity issuance in preferred equity last year. Preferred equity as a market is basically MicroStrategy’s preferred equity market right now, and that is crazy to me.

I wonder if the MicroStrategy trade ever goes sideways. There are ways it happens. It generally involves Bitcoin going to $50,000, and they get into the kind of perpetual-motion machine where their stock trades above NAV: they issue stock above NAV to buy Bitcoin, and that increases their NAV, so they keep doing that.

Guess what happens when you’ve issued $10 billion-plus in preferred equity that pays a 10% dividend per year and Bitcoin trades from $75,000 to $50,000? That cycle does not look good on the other side. They can say, “Oh, we’ll sell,” or, “We don’t have tons of...” It does not look good on the other side.

If there is that other side, I do wonder: is MicroStrategy going to blow up preferred equity? Preferred equity was a very small corner of the market, generally tapped by banks and financial companies. But if MicroStrategy, let’s say, does this for another 18 months and they’re 60% of the preferred issuance for another 18 or 24 months and something negative happens, they’re going to blow up the preferred equity class. It’s just wild to think about the scale, the size, and all that sort of stuff.

I really want to say this because, if you have not read these Q1 calls, go read them. As someone who’s financially sophisticated, on the one hand you’re going to be like, “Wow, this is a really interesting way of thinking about it.” Then you’re going to think about it for a second and be like, “Wait, what? They’re talking about issuing preferred to go buy Bitcoin at 10%, and they think they’re going to make money because Bitcoin’s going to go up 20% per year. It’s free. It’s just so crazy what they’re doing.”

I could go on for hours and hours. The last thing I want to talk about: my friend Artem Fokin—I’ll give him credit for this, though we’ll see if he’s listening all the way through. I won’t disclose the company we’re talking about. We’re talking about a company, and let’s just say it’s a $100 million company.

They hired a new CFO who came to them from a company that was, let’s call it, a $500 million company. The new CFO was the CFO at that company. We were talking about that, and that is so rare. If they had hired the chief accounting officer of the $500 million company to come be their CFO, that would make sense. You go from a larger company to a smaller company, but you get a promotion.

To go from a larger company to a smaller company in the same role is super unique. I’ve just been thinking about that signal. I’ve been into the corporate dark arts recently. That’s management teams finding ways to say their stock is undervalued and get more exposure to the stock.

Here you’ve got a CFO or C-suite member, whatever it is, calling their shot. You go from a $500 million company to a $100 million company, you’re probably getting paid less. You’re really calling your shot in terms of, “Hey, I see the growth potential here. I see the equity value here.”

The counter to that would be, “Hey, this CFO might have been overmatched at the $500 million company. Maybe they saw they weren’t long for that $500 million company. Or maybe they saw the $500 million company was in for a very rocky ride, and they wanted to get into a steadier boat.”

I very rarely see it, and I’m not trying to trade it. I have no position in either of the companies where that happened. It’s just one of those things where I’ve been thinking about the signal in a C-suite person moving from one company into another, and how you view that signal as an investor.

Is it a mark on the management team? Is it a mark on the company they join? Is it a mark on the company they’re leaving? It probably is very situation-dependent, and it’s probably some combination of all 3.

But it’s just a really unique example that’s been stuck on my mind. Really unique examples are some of the things I like to look at, think about, and invest in the most, and increasingly, they’re what I’m really focused on. That’s one that’s just kind of stuck in my brain, just played in my brain over and over.

Anyway, I’ve been rambling—probably 30 minutes, I don’t know, 45 minutes. I wasn’t keeping track of the clock. This has been great. It is, again, May 27th, the end of May. We’ve got some good podcasts coming up. I’ll talk to you guys for another random rambling at some point, and we’ll go from there. Have a good one. A quick disclaimer. Nothing on this podcast should be considered investment advice. Guests or the hosts may have positions in any of the stocks mentioned during this podcast. Please do your own work and consult a financial advisor. Thanks.