Jason Calacanis
This is what we need. Let him go. All right, here we go. This is Jason in the corner warming up. Two. Shut the up, Friedberg. It's my show. [laughter] Three. Two. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the number one podcast in the world. The podcast I, Jason Calacanis, named, created, and I'm the executive producer for life. With me, my three bestie friends, Chamath Palihapitiya, our dictator; David Friedberg, our Sultan of Science; and David Sacks, who's now made his way down to Austin. Welcome, brother. Let's go shooting. Let's get those beef ribs.
Jason Calacanis
David Sacks, how are you settling in to the great state of Texas? Everybody wants to know. Let's go shooting and get those beef ribs.
David Sacks
I'm loving the 70-degree weather. Is it like this all year round?
Jason Calacanis
This is a wonderful time of year. You miss the 2 weeks when it goes to freezing temperatures. We have 10 days of freezing temperatures, and then we have 80 days of 100-degree temperatures, but you'll be on a yacht in Italy or somewhere during that, like the rest of us. That's basically all you need to know about Austin: get out during the summers because it's brutal. Everything else is fantastic. But in all seriousness, you're here. You've moved. You've domiciled in Texas.
David Sacks
It happened in December. We closed on a new house, moved in, went to the DMV, and I signed a lease for an Austin office for Craft. It's done.
Jason Calacanis
Nice. I'll get you a dentist and whatever else you need.
David Sacks
I got a doctor, too.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. Does this mean I have to bring Moose back? This has been the big discussion in our house. Does this mean we lose Moose, or do we have you in custody?
David Sacks
He needs significant acreage to run around. We know that.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, he does. He misses you, and we'll definitely bring him by for a visit.
David Sacks
We'll be playing backgammon and smoking cigars.
Jason Calacanis
You have to come by. I cannot wait. Chamath, what about you guys? Are you guys going to come down?
Chamath Palihapitiya
Matt and I started the process in December. We are coming to check things out. We have not made any final decisions, though.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. Shout-out to our boy Ro Khanna for driving everybody out of the state. Here's the funniest thing: we're all in the chat group discussing the California wealth tax, whether people are going to leave or not. Chamath is making a big show: “I'm going to stay and fight. I'm not leaving my home. They can't drive me out.” Meanwhile, I get a call from my broker, who says she's helping Chamath find a place.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Uh-oh. What's going on?
Jason Calacanis
Is Chamath doing a backdoor trade? I'm shocked that Chamath tells you one thing and is doing another.
David Friedberg
He's at least hedging his bets.
Jason Calacanis
He's hedging his bets. A lot of people are hedging their bets. Sergey is in Florida. I'm sorry—Larry's got a beautiful place in Florida. I saw Governor Abbott reached out to you.
David Sacks
That's right. He welcomed me to Texas on X. A lot of people did.
Jason Calacanis
Michael Dell did.
David Sacks
Ted Cruz did, too. It was a real welcome reception. It's funny: I never got anything like that when I was in California.
Jason Calacanis
The politicians were never embracing you.
Chamath Palihapitiya
They weren't embracing you.
David Sacks
Yeah, they were embracing me. I don't know why.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Who knows? I put this on X. When you look at our friends who have all explicitly left, it's about half a trillion dollars of net worth, which I think is very bad for the long-term budget of California. I can pick about 25 people just off the top of my head. If you think about all the people who will stay and fight, I still intend to stay and fight, but if we're forced to look down the barrel of an asset tax with God knows what methodology, it's the only thing that's united everybody on the left and the right. Even Reid Hoffman thinks this is insane.
I think a lot of other people will leave. It's probably half the total wealth that the budget estimated would be available to be taxed will be gone.
Jason Calacanis
Wow. I mean, these are—I don't understand.
Chamath Palihapitiya
That has huge implications for the social programs and the general budget of California.
Jason Calacanis
Listen, I think this is going to be a topic throughout the year because it's not going away. They're gathering signatures right now.
David Sacks
I agree.
Jason Calacanis
We're going to find out in April whether it's on the ballot. It's possible they don't gather the signatures, but they only need about 850,000 of them. If it gets on the ballot, we'll know in just a few months. There's going to be a huge freakout, and I think there will be a lot of people who say, “I can't take the risk.” They're going to leave the state.
I think there's going to be a rush for the exits. There will be all sorts of repercussions from that. Then there will be an election in November. Obviously, we'll find out whether it passes or not, and then there will be legal challenges. This is going to be a saga. I don't think this is over by a long shot.
Quite frankly, even if it's beaten in 2026, I think a lot of people expect that some version of this comes back in 2028. That's the thing that pushed me over the edge in terms of leaving. I don't think this problem is going away. It's very difficult if you're an entrepreneur with a good idea to start building here, because if you get stuck in success with a bunch of illiquid stock and have no way to pay 5% of that value, you're going to bankrupt your own company. It just doesn't make any sense.
David Sacks
What if your company goes to zero the next year, which can totally happen with private companies? You still owe the tax bill.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah, I don't know how that reverses itself. It's a terrible idea. I was talking to Ro Khanna and Eric Swalwell, who we had on the program, and I told these guys, “You dopey Democrats have to stop fraud first before you start seizing people's assets or start a discussion about raising taxes.” We had Nick Shirley on last week, who was doing his investigative journalism. Shout-out to Shirley.
How do we sell to the American public that we want to seize their assets while sending it out the back door to fund fraud? That makes no sense. It's a leaky bucket, so fix the bucket first, and then let's have an honest discussion about what the right tax rate is. Why do this with a unique tax? Why not just add a point to the capital-gains tax or income tax and have that discussion?
Chamath Palihapitiya
That's a great point. You could also do what Bill Ackman suggested, which is stop allowing these margin loans. There are a lot of people who live off margin. Is it a good idea? Yes and no, depending on the asset base you have. If the tax laws changed, we would all change our approach.
Jason Calacanis
You mentioned that Larry and Sergey have left the state, and they're probably getting dragged for that. But one of the reasons why I think they kind of have to is because of the super-voting stock provision in this thing. The way they calculate the value of your stock is not based on its liquid market value. If you own super-voting shares, they multiply your ownership of those shares by the market cap of the company and deem your shares to be worth that.
For example, Larry and Sergey, I think, combined have voting power of about 52% of Google. What's Google worth these days?
David Friedberg
Four trillion—4 and a half trillion.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. I think they're very wealthy guys. I think they're each worth whatever—$100 billion or so.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I think $200 billion combined.
Jason Calacanis
But now their net worth will be deemed to be roughly $1 trillion each, not, let's call it, $200 billion. The 5% tax for them is more like a 25% tax on all their net worth. It becomes 50%, because you'd have to sell more than that to overcome the drag of selling. To generate $25 billion or $50 billion of net worth, you have to sell twice that, because you have to pay taxes on that, right?
What is the point of having that super-voting provision in there? It's totally punitive and vicious.
All right, let's just go with a quick prediction here. I'm going to call an audible. We're going to get into the prediction show, folks. We've been delaying this prediction show because the world is moving at an incredible pace, and the news is, let's just call it what it is, intense. We have a lot of stories you all want us to cover. We will cover them, but we're going to start with our prediction show.
Just a lightning-round prediction: does this seizure tax—I'm going to call it what it is, a seizure tax—go into effect or not? Does it pass or not? Friedberg, you're first. Yes or no? Give us a percentage, Polymarket.
David Friedberg
Does it get on the ballot first, and then does it pass?
Jason Calacanis
We know it's going to get on the ballot. I think we agree with that, but not necessarily.
David Friedberg
Oh, we don't know. So then I'll make it a 2-parter. Does it get on the ballot? Does it pass?
Jason Calacanis
Fine. Chamath, you seem ready to go. Go.
Chamath Palihapitiya
No. Friedberg, go ahead.
David Friedberg
I don't think it's going to get on the ballot.
Jason Calacanis
Oh.
David Sacks
I agree with that.
Chamath Palihapitiya
In California, 100%.
Jason Calacanis
All right, here's your Polymarket, everybody. Shout-out to Shane.
Chamath Palihapitiya
No, this is to make the ballot. This is to make the ballot.
Jason Calacanis
This is the question.
Will the billionaires’ wealth tax make it onto the California ballot? It’s currently lightly traded at 69%.
David Sacks
But you see how much lower it was? That spike happened after Ro Khanna elevated the issue. When it became a cause célèbre among progressives and Bernie Sanders weighed in, it spiked from—what was it, like—45% to 80%.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. So when Ro Khanna committed political seppuku, it drove it up. Maybe he had a bet. Maybe he placed a bet.
David Sacks
I don’t think it’s political suicide for him. There are only 2 ways it doesn’t get on the ballot, right? One is if the SEIU, which is the union that supported this proposal, doesn’t have the money to pay to collect the signatures.
Jason Calacanis
But you would think that they would, right?
David Sacks
Mhm. $8 million or so is roughly what it costs to gather the signatures for these types of things. Clearly, they can find 850,000 people in California who support it if they’re willing to put the effort in.
The other possibility is that the powers that be—let’s call it Gavin Newsom and the machine—are able to negotiate with this union to get them to stand down. I don’t have any insight into that because that’s obviously Democratic politics, not Republican politics. But Friedberg and Chamath might have some information. You have some insight. I don’t know. We’re going to leave it at that.
Jason Calacanis
But if it does get on the ballot, what do you think the odds are that it passes?
Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it’s going to be a really important
Jason Calacanis
40%
Chamath Palihapitiya
moment for people to vote for the ability to be industrious and have agency. Or what did Mamdani say? It’s rugged individualism versus
David Sacks
Collectivism, also known as communism, as in “collect.” We collect your assets, Chamath.
Jason Calacanis
He said that we’re going to replace the fragility of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
I mean, at least he’s saying it out loud. I like these new politicians just telling you straight up what we’re doing. Well, his new housing commissioner—have you seen this?
David Sacks
Yeah. The white lady’s like, “White people must suffer.” Then she had these things where she’s like, “I see white babies in the airport and it makes me mad.” I’m like, really? This is crazy.
Jason Calacanis
What man broke up with this lady? Because that dude has created a monster.
David Sacks
Didn’t she say something like, “We need to introduce a new relationship between white people and property and their property rights,” or something?
Jason Calacanis
Yeah, exactly.
David Sacks
I mean, they’re saying it out loud now. Then I guess she had a mental breakdown and started crying when they came to see her.
Jason Calacanis
No, no. What happened is they pointed out that her parents own a multimillion-dollar home, and then she broke down in tears.
David Sacks
Oh, her mom’s a white supremacist. I didn’t realize her mom was a white supremacist. That explains it all, because this is all about her mom.
Jason Calacanis
I feel bad for her parents.
David Sacks
Oh, God. Can you imagine one of your kids going and doing this and saying, “We have to go collect your houses”?
Jason Calacanis
I mean, listen, let’s do it. Let’s do what everybody wants to hear: our predictions for 2026. We’ve been pushing it off, and we’re going to give it to you right now.
We always like to start, since we got into politics here on the program at some point, with the biggest political winner. Last year’s prediction for the biggest political winner for 2025, to remind everybody: Friedberg said young candidates. Well done. Gavin, who was on the show sitting in for Sacks, who was busy joining the administration, said Trump and centrism would be the biggest political winner. Chamath, you said fiscal conservatives and those who asked for restrained spending. It was a good thought, and I said Gen X and elder millennials—the J.D. Vance, Tulsi, Sacks group.
Let’s go around the horn here. Friedberg, who do you think will be the biggest political winner of 2026? Friedberg, your chance.
David Friedberg
Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA. Just like the MAGA movement took over the Republican Party, I think the DSA is taking over the Democratic Party. I think that’s the move we’ll see solidified in 2026.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. Tight is right. Well done. Chamath, who do you have for biggest political winner in 2026?
Chamath Palihapitiya
Whoever is going to fight waste, fraud, and abuse at the federal, state, and local level.
Jason Calacanis
Got it. So it’s an open lane to anybody.
Chamath Palihapitiya
It’s an open lane. It’s a political gambit that I think will work really well in ’26.
Jason Calacanis
Very nicely done. David Sacks, I can’t imagine who you would pick as a political winner in 2026.
David Sacks
Well, I’m going to say that the Trump boom is going to be the biggest political winner of 2026. The good economic news started breaking out before 2025 was even over. We have 2.7% inflation and core CPI at 2.6%; both of those are 40 basis points below expectations. We had 4.3% GDP growth in Q3 and the lowest trade deficit since 2009. The Challenger, Gray & Christmas report out today showed that job cuts dropped 50% from November, which was itself down about 50% from October.
Jason Calacanis
Give us a number for the boom. What is it going to be?
David Sacks
Hold on. The S&P 500 keeps making record highs. People are paying less for gas. Mortgage costs have fallen by $3,000. Real wages are up over $1,000. By June, I predict we will see more rate cuts, possibly 75 to 100 basis points. Big tax refunds are coming in April, thanks to a bigger standard deduction and no tax on tips, overtime, and Social Security.
I think there is so much good economic news coming, and it’s already started. I think it’s going to have a huge impact not just on the economy, but also on political perceptions for next year.
Jason Calacanis
Pick your GDP for this boom year: 3%, 4%, 5%, or 6%, Sacks. I’m pinning you down.
David Sacks
Pick 4%.
Jason Calacanis
If you make it a prediction, then I’d like to pick as well. Okay, I’m going to let Sacks go first.
David Sacks
I’m going to go for 5%.
Jason Calacanis
Within a rounding error, I believe 5%. Sure, sure. Plus or minus? Chamath, you want to pick a number? You said you did.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I think the lower bound is 5%. I think the upper bound is 6.2%.
Jason Calacanis
Wow. Incredible. Well, just to put that in perspective, if we print 6%, the only country in the modern world that we think of as a quasi-peer competitor that has printed 6% is China, in a period where it had complete and total coordination and domination of a federal, state, and local economy. The fact that we can do it under democracy and capitalism is outrageous. Friedberg, do you want to take a stab at that?
David Friedberg
2026 growth: 4.6%.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. I was going to go with between 4% and 5% as well.
In terms of my prediction for the big political winner, I went back and forth between the emperor’s apprentice, Darth Vance—J.D. Vance—or the Mamdani moment. I said Darth Vance for a couple of reasons. He is out there defending Trump, and he’s surging on Polymarket and in the polls. He’s obviously the co-pilot of MAGA. He’s done a great job of being in the second seat. He is not usurping President Trump, which would be a big political mistake. He’s really navigating being the co-pilot there.
He is the most popular politician, clearly, at Turning Point USA, and he is the OG in the America First, America Only moment.
But I’m going to give the edge to the Mamdani moment. He’s 34 years old. We’ve got Ro Khanna at 49, pivoting into a socialist, and I think that’s because Democrats believe the easiest way to win in 2026 is to go full socialist. Trump has, I think, given this lane because he’s forgotten about the working man and woman in America.
Net disapproval for Trump on the economy: 58%. Inflation, despite what Sacks is saying there, is still closer to 3% than 2%. Trump just announced he wants to increase the military budget by 50%, while people are still complaining about their healthcare. Trump has turned into a complete neocon, bombing 7 countries this year and threatening to take over Colombia and Greenland. Who knows if that’s Trump being Trump or if that’s reality, but Trump becoming a neocon was not on anyone’s bingo card.
I think Trump may have incited and given a bunch of fuel to the Mamdani moment by not addressing the American people’s needs and going for international interventionism. Okay, now—
David Sacks
That was like 3 different answers right there.
Jason Calacanis
My answer is clearly Mamdani. My second place—though I like to always explain my thinking—is Darth Vance.
J.D. Vance, biggest political loser. Last year’s predictions: I said Putin. Gavin said Putin. Chamath, you said progressivism, and Friedberg, you said the pro-war neocons would be the biggest political losers.
Let’s get into who we think will be the loser this year. Sacks, why don’t you start? Who’s your big political loser in 2026?
David Sacks
Well, I said Democratic centrism, or Democratic centrists, which is sort of the flip side of you guys saying that socialism or progressives are winners. There are 2 reasons for this.
One is because the socialist ideology has ascended among the Democratic base, especially the young people who support Mamdani and things like that. Unfortunately, our universities are woke madrassas that have done a terrible job educating these students and have brainwashed a lot of them into this woke ideology.
But also, there are so few House districts anymore that are truly competitive. Both the Cook Political Report and Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball say that there are fewer than 2 dozen House races that are genuinely competitive going into 2026. That’s because of gerrymandering and so on.
So, if you’re a Democratic incumbent who is in one of these districts—like all but a couple dozen of them—your only real threat to losing your office is from the left, right? It’s some young AOC type coming up to challenge you.
And so you don't want to expose your left flank. Even the Democratic moderates have been shifting further and further to the left, and so you see this AOC–Mamdani effect happening there. I'm kind of in the same camp as you guys: this is not a good trend. I put this as the biggest political loser.
Jason Calacanis
Biggest political loser?
David Sacks
Democratic centrism.
Jason Calacanis
Got it. Chamath, what do you got?
Chamath Palihapitiya
Can I just go back and nitpick with you a little bit? Why do you think progressivism didn't fail? The only reason I ask you that is, outside of a few pockets of progressivism—specifically Mamdani—if you look at the elections in Virginia or the elections in New Jersey, those are more centrist than progressive.
If you look at the general approval rates of Democrats, they trended consistently down through 2025 as Democrats congratulated themselves about leaving centrism and embracing progressivism. The more talking points around progressivism that emerged, the poorer they performed. I know your perception, or some people's perceptions, may be different based on one localized win, but if you look at the broad trend, it didn't work. I just put that out there as the facts and not the vibes.
David Sacks
Well, I don't want it to be true, just to be clear. I would—
Chamath Palihapitiya
I don't want it to be true either, but it does seem—
David Sacks
No, but you—like, it was wrong and it wasn't wrong.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it might be a jump ball. That might be the best way to describe it, because you have effect and—okay, just look at the numerical numbers. The trends were horrible. Wherever the Democrats started, the more progressive talking points they added, the poorer and poorer they performed. The approval ratings went down, and the disapproval ratings went up.
I'm not saying that they didn't win a mayoral race. They did do that. I'm just saying, broadly speaking, nationwide, has the Democratic Party's embrace of progressivism, at least at the federal level, paid off over 2025? I would say categorically, mathematically, not.
Okay, now going to 2026, what is my biggest political loser? What I would say is the biggest loser of 2026 is the Monroe Doctrine. I think that when historians look back on the Trump presidency, they're going to rewrite it. People have tried to minimize Trump's worldview as a Trump Corollary. I don't think that's what this is. They even try to minimize it by calling it the Donroe Doctrine. I don't think that's what this is.
I think that there is a clear Trump doctrine that trumped the Monroe Doctrine, and I think that is the political loser because there is a huge body politic that has been built around the Monroe Doctrine. How do we view wars? How do we view our spheres of influence? How do we view economic multilateralism versus unilateralism? All of that is out the window.
We view this as hemispheric dominance. That's Trump. We view it as proactive and, in very specific cases, interventionist. We intervene against drug cartels. We control immigration. We secure vital assets. That was not really the scope of the Monroe Doctrine. We have more transactional relationships, quite honestly, which allows us to react in the moment. So I think the Monroe Doctrine is the biggest loser of 2026.
Friedberg, your biggest loser of 2026?
David Friedberg
My biggest political loser of 2026 is the tech industry. I think AI and tech wealth have become the lightning rod for populism on both sides of the aisle.
I think the right is fracturing a bit, where this alliance between tech and MAGA seems to be getting a really strong challenge from the more populist movement. In the same sense, the left is turning hard on tech because of tech's alignment with the right. I think we're going to see, in the midterms, a really big referendum against the tech industry coming out of a populist win.
Jason Calacanis
Good. Populist win.
Can I tell you guys a little story from yesterday? I had a meeting with 3 very senior sitting senators before I flew back to California. These were Republican senators, and, Friedberg, I was surprised: exactly what you said.
There are a couple of companies that have exacerbated their frustration. They view those companies—these tech companies and the tech leaders of these companies—as just not trustworthy, and they've largely been ignoring these guys for a long time. They're pretty frustrated with it. So, to your point, it is palpable.
David Sacks
Look, I can tell you that the natural ally for tech is with MAGA because we still believe in property rights and innovation. If the Democratic Party is truly going progressive, which means socialist, they want to rewrite your relationship to property rights, whatever that means, and impose wealth taxes, realized-gains taxes, and all the rest of it. I don't think tech has that much of a choice.
As Arnold Schwarzenegger said in one of those movies, “Come with me if you want to live.”
Jason Calacanis
“Come with me if you want to live.” Yes.
David Sacks
Get in the chopper. But let me say this: the reason why there's anger on the populist right is because they remember the censorship and the deplatforming and the shadow-banning and all that kind of stuff. I think there just needs to be some meetings, some truth and reconciliation, between some of these tech leaders and some of these conservative influencers.
Jason Calacanis
Guess what, David Sacks? I know 1 guy who can help make that happen. I would like to host some of these meetings in 2026 and get these people together because I think the tech companies have either realized their mistake or, in a lot of cases, were pushed into it by the Biden administration.
David Friedberg
Yeah, they had a gun to their head.
Jason Calacanis
They had a gun to their head. Now, I also think that one other mistake they've made is, quite frankly, they've been donors to only left-wing causes. If you listen to Mike Cernovich's account, he's like, “Look, guys, you banned us. You cost us our livelihood for years.”
David Sacks
Debanked us.
Jason Calacanis
Debanked us. Where's the restitution? Or at least start giving some support to our conservative culture.
By the way, you nailed it on the head. The senators that I talked to, that's exactly what they want. They just wanted an apology. Just be honest and say you did it.
David Friedberg
This asset-seizure tax proposal in California, and the conversation about other states, I think, is bringing a lot of people to that table. At least on the tech side, contrary to what people may think, it may actually be doing a lot more positive for the right side than the left by putting this forward. This may actually be catalyzing a big change in Silicon Valley.
David Sacks
Yeah. If you think about it, if you were Zuckerberg or you were one of the Google executives and the FBI was telling you, “Hey, we need you to take care of these censorship issues. We need you to label these things,” et cetera, it puts you in a pretty tough situation if the FBI is calling you, if you're trying to do M&A. Now, M&A under Trump is on fire. We'll talk about that more in our prediction show.
Jason Calacanis
For me, I was going back and forth on my biggest political loser between these dopey Democrats who are centrists and the new neocon Trump. I don't know if Trump will continue these neocon ways, so I'm going to align with Sacks here that the centrist Democrats are going to be this year's biggest political losers.
David Sacks
Now that you've mentioned twice that Trump is a neocon, I have to respond to this.
Jason Calacanis
No, you don't. You don't have to, but go ahead.
David Sacks
Okay, look, the problem with neocon regime-change operations was, I'd say, 3-fold. Number 1: the invasion. You have this giant invasion, land armies, huge numbers of people getting killed. It took months or a year. It took them like a year to get Saddam, right?
Number 2: you then have an occupation because whoever you put in power only stays in power if you have American GIs there pointing the guns. So you end up with a 10- or 20-year occupation.
And then, third, you have nation-building, which means you end up spending trillions of dollars basically trying to turn them into us so that our troops can leave. That was the mistake of Afghanistan and Iraq.
But look, what has Trump done that is like any of those things? There's been no invasion, no occupation, and no nation-building. This war, I guess, with Venezuela, if you want to call it that, was a flawless operation. It lasted 3 hours.
Jason Calacanis
I mean, I woke up and it was like the meme where it's, “Wake up, honey.” “Wake up, honey. Trump's won another war.”
David Sacks
It was over before it even started. They went in there and basically captured Maduro. No Americans were killed. It was an absolutely flawless operation, and they are bringing him to justice.
By the way, he begged for it. He's on tape talking a lot of smack at rallies, saying, “Come get me,” calling the Americans chicken, and so on. In any event, he was begging for it. We can go into a lot more of the reasons for doing it and defending it, but I just don't think this is a neocon policy.
In fact, it's the Democrats who've been calling to put in this Nobel Prize winner that you interviewed, Friedberg, right? What's her name? María Corina Machado.
David Friedberg
Machado.
David Sacks
Machado. Okay, anyway—
Chamath Palihapitiya
Héctor Elizondo. I think he did somebody from the Brat Pack.
David Sacks
No, she was in The Running Man, I think. Anyway—
Jason Calacanis
Exactly.
David Friedberg
But—
David Sacks
You're talking about the Cuban-Venezuelan actress.
Jason Calacanis
I thought her name was María Conchita Alonso. Okay, María Corina Machado. Sorry. That's just what I thought of: Miss World Venezuela 1975 winner, María...
David Sacks
Look, the Democrats are criticizing the administration for not putting her in power. But here’s the problem: Nobel Prizes don’t keep people in power. Men with guns keep people in power, and she doesn’t have the men with guns. So it would be American GIs. There would have to be guns to keep her in power, and the administration has not done that. They’re looking to basically work with the existing regime.
The big reason why we got sucked into Iraq is that whole de-Ba’athification process. We didn’t just get rid of Saddam; we took out the entire elite of the country, which created a huge insurgency. So there’s been nothing like that. That is what I’m trying to tell you in this case: it’s a whole different paradigm. We’re going to need a new name for it. Maybe Chamath is right. It’s definitely not neocon.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Not neocon.
David Sacks
Yeah, we might need a new branding for it. It depends on whether Trump is cosplaying a neocon when he says he’s going to take Greenland, when he says he’s going to take Colombia next, and when he says he’s going to take Cuba. He’s certainly playing the character of a neocon publicly here. Who knows? That could be Trump positioning himself and anchoring future negotiations.
But if I was telling you before the election, when you were saying, “Hey, do not let certain people become president—Nikki Haley, et cetera—because they’re neocons and they’re going to go to war with Venezuela. Are they going to go to war with Iran?” Well, that’s exactly what Trump has done. And as flawlessly as our troops did—and, my lord, we have the greatest military ever—just an incredible job. Shout-out to them. To do this and lose no American lives was unbelievable, and it says something about the dedication of these individuals. But things can go wrong no matter how good you are. We could be sitting here right now with 12 captured Delta Force members. We could have 50 dead Americans.
Jason Calacanis
Where’s the war? But if that did happen, this is where you have to be intellectually honest. If we were dealing with a situation where they didn’t pick up the target and we had lost American troops—and, God forbid, they had taken hostages—we would be sitting here with a much different discussion, so we have to be very careful. I give Trump credit, but that is an equal possibility, or certainly a nonzero possibility. Things can go sideways.
You sound like when Sam Harris was saying, “Imagine if COVID actually killed a lot of people. Then the conversation would be different.” Well, it didn’t. There was no war here.
David Sacks
And let’s hope there isn’t. This is why I give Trump a lot of credit. He has been strategic. I do give you that.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Stick and move. Stick and move is the game.
David Sacks
I pray that he can continue.
Jason Calacanis
And by the way, first of all, even if we took Greenland, it’s not going to be a big deal. There are 30,000 people who live there. But I think it’s more likely that we’ll make a deal. I think we’re going to make an offer they can’t refuse.
Okay, Ken Howery, shout-out to our guy Ken Howery. Maybe you can make a deal. Let’s make them an offer they can’t refuse.
David Sacks
Yeah, I mean, how much could it cost? There’s nothing there.
Jason Calacanis
Biggest business winner for 2025: it looks like Friedberg picked robots and autonomous hardware—the year of the robot. I think if you include robotaxis there, you nailed it. Certainly, next year will be the year of Optimus, 2027.
Chamath, you said dollar-denominated stablecoins. I think, given what we’ve seen with regulation, that was spot-on. Gavin, shout-out to our friend Gavin. He said big businesses that use AI thoughtfully. Another great one.
I picked Tesla, which is at an all-time high, and Google, which, of all the Mag 7, was the biggest winner. They did 65%. I know both of those—we did. I think all of us crushed that one. Who do you have, Friedberg, as your biggest business winner prediction for 2026? Go ahead, Friedberg.
David Friedberg
I couldn’t decide. My number 1 is Huawei, which I’ve mentioned in the past, out of China. I think Huawei’s effort to partner with SMIC to go deeper in the chip stack—they’re just firing on all cylinders. I do think, keep an eye on Huawei over the next year. It’s going to outperform expectations, at least Western expectations.
The second is Polymarket. I think Polymarket has evolved from being this one-off, quirky prediction market to actually providing insights into current events and the news in a way that none of us anticipated.
Jason Calacanis
And I do expect that, after the deal we saw with the NYSE, all of the exchanges—and we’re already seeing this with Robinhood and Coinbase—will follow suit. We should expect something from Nasdaq this year. Dina Friedman talked to us about this, but I do think that prediction markets could become not just markets, but also news. I think Polymarket is in such a position to have a breakout year.
Okay, great one. Chamath, biggest business winner for 2026, after yourself. Who do you got?
Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it’s hard. I mean, I will pick me.
Jason Calacanis
Yep, we already did that one.
Chamath Palihapitiya
That one’s coming.
Jason Calacanis
It’s already in the books. Don’t hurt your elbow. Don’t hyperextend your elbow. It’s already in the books.
Nick, we need to use that meme of Obama giving himself a medal.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I will pick copper.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, copper.
Chamath Palihapitiya
We are still completely underestimating how short we are in terms of the global demand-supply dynamics of a handful of critical elements that we need. Again, in the Trump doctrine view of the world, that is no longer as multilateral as it was. We need unilateral national security. If you look through that lens, the asset that is set up to go absolutely parabolic is copper.
The reason is that, at least as it stands today, it is the most useful, cheap, malleable, conductive material that we have. That material manifests in everything from our data centers to our chips to our weapon systems. It’s just everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.
Right now, Jason, we are on a path by 2040 where we will be short about 70% of the global supply at the current course and speed. I will pick copper.
Jason Calacanis
Sacks, what do you got? Biggest business winner of 2026. Your prediction.
David Sacks
I said the IPO. I think 2026 is going to be a big year for IPOs. I’m not going to say which ones. I think there are going to be a bunch of them, a bunch of successful ones. I think we could see trillions of dollars of new market cap created by public companies.
Jason Calacanis
Totally.
David Sacks
For a while, people were concerned that the number of public companies was shrinking. Public companies were actually being taken private. This is going to be a big reversal of that trend, so I think this will be part of the Trump boom.
Jason Calacanis
I love that one. Great one.
I went with Amazon. Since I nailed the Mag 7 for last year and picked the highest performer with Google—and I placed a bet on that—I’m feeling pretty good about it. My prediction for 2026 is that Amazon is going to have a massive year as they continue to replace humans with robots.
Here’s a chart for you. I’ve been talking about this a little bit. I think this is the most important company to watch because Zoox’s self-driving is working. They’re making great progress with it. When you look at this chart, you can see they’re essentially flat in terms of hiring humans, and they’re surging in deploying robots. They did their whole PR and communications strategy of calling them cobots and donating to Toys for Tots, et cetera.
I think they’ll be the first corporate singularity—which is to say, the first company to have more robots driving its bottom line than humans. So that’s my prediction for 2026: Amazon. I’m going to place a bet on that.
David Sacks
My prediction is that Jason is such a luck box that he’ll end up being right about Amazon, but not having anything to do with the reason he gave.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah, right. He’ll hire a billion humans to go do something, and it’ll be for a different reason. I am a luck box. That is true.
David Sacks
It’ll just be better free cash flow, and all of a sudden more people will be using AWS, and Jason will be right.
Jason Calacanis
Well, I actually think the reason is, if you just think about it—I don’t know if you guys have had this experience—but with the delivery business, which was kind of a dog for a long time, obviously AWS is crushing it. But that delivery business here in Austin—we get everything the same day. You’re going to experience this, David, because of the geography here and the ability to have depot centers very close. Everything you order on Amazon comes within the same day.
David Friedberg
You know, I’ve noticed that already. I’ve already started ordering things from Amazon. You’re right; it was all same-day. I’m like, “Wait, what is going on?”
Jason Calacanis
That’s what it is. We have a lot of space 15 miles outside of the city center, with 20 centers, and they built these huge warehouses. So you just get everything within 4 hours. They’re like, “We’ll be right there.” It’s very bizarre.
David Sacks
So, Jason, you’ll buy, like, virtues at 8:00 a.m., and it arrives by noon.
Jason Calacanis
Yes, absolutely. And when you put your order in for ethics and morality, it just never shows up. I don’t know. It’s lost again. Who knows? It’s just incredible. We’re just both ends of the spectrum here.
It’s like, “Hello, customer support. I ordered a moral compass 2 years ago. It still hasn’t arrived.”
Biggest business loser.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I love xAI, man.
David Sacks
It hid behind the $20 billion.
Chamath Palihapitiya
It did.
Jason Calacanis
Absolutely.
Chamath Palihapitiya
All I know is I got my beak wet.
Jason Calacanis
So, I hope your compass never shows up.
David Sacks
You got your beak wet on that deal.
Jason Calacanis
Well, Sundeep came to Besties, and he wanted to collect all the Besties. We all got to place a little bet, and then—
David Sacks
Oh, by the way, I divested my Groq shares as part of joining the government back in February or March.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, God. So, what would that cost you? What was the last triple-up?
David Sacks
No, it was a small position that came from Groq acquiring Sundeep's old company. We didn't invest in Groq, so it wasn't big, but the point was—
Jason Calacanis
Yeah, it's just another example of you sacrificing for the country, which I give you a lot of credit for. It's good for Sacks to put that on the record.
David Sacks
Yeah. Well, it's just so ridiculous because I'm accused of somehow doing this job for money when it just keeps costing me money.
Jason Calacanis
It's negative money.
David Sacks
xAI just raised an up round at twice the valuation from the last round, and we had to divest that too. No, no, we didn't sit it out. Hold on. Let's be clear: We didn't sit it out. We divested it.
Jason Calacanis
So, you place the bet, and then before you get to collect the ticket, you lose the last double-up or triple-up. The economic cost to Sacks will probably exceed $1 billion by the time he leaves.
Personally, this is crazy. People need to know this. It’s a very important thing to put on the record. I think everybody should know. All these dumb reporters don’t get it, but Sacks has sacrificed financially an enormous amount to work on behalf of the government and the people. That’s really amazing.
David Sacks
It's fine. I wouldn't even say anything about it if it weren't for the fact that we got these mainstream media reporters lying and saying the opposite—that somehow this job is making me money.
Jason Calacanis
Right?
David Sacks
I wouldn't say a word about it otherwise.
Jason Calacanis
Business loser 2025. Gavin said federal government service providers, I guess because of DOGE and them being held to the fire to give us a better deal. Old-guard defense contractors like Boeing and Lockheed was yours, Friedberg, and Chamath, you said the Mag 7 would see a decrease in record concentration. I said OpenAI, which would see a peak valuation, and obviously I got that wrong. What do you got this year, Friedberg? Who do you think is going to be the biggest business loser of this year?
David Friedberg
To follow up on Chamath and my conversation at the Christmas dinner, I think these state governments are going to have a real problem finding financing. What's going on with the exposés underway on waste, fraud, and abuse in state agencies is going to lead to a conversation that causes folks to question the long-term solvency of their operations. The response won't be, "Hey, let's cut out the waste, fraud, and abuse." The response is going to be, "We've got to keep it going," and that is what is going to give people fear.
If they responded equivocally to the discoveries that the governments made, then I think there's an opportunity to continue to borrow and access capital markets. But I do worry a lot about state governments borrowing. I think the other thing that's going to hit the fan this year in state governments is all of these unrealized pension liabilities.
I think when these numbers start to come out this year, and a lot of people are now digging deep into them, folks are going to wake up and be like, "Holy, there's a ginormous hole in these states and their obligations."
Jason Calacanis
And why does the government have to do these pensions? Why can't we do superannuation like Australia does? I love that pick.
David Friedberg
That's called a defined contribution instead of a defined benefit. If you get this defined-contribution model and then just have good management, it all works out. So, this is basically the problem with Social Security. Social Security is a defined benefit, and then all the money just doesn't sit anywhere. It doesn't exist. If it was a defined contribution, it's just a liability.
Jason Calacanis
It's just a liability.
David Friedberg
And let me give a shout-out. If it was a defined contribution like Invest America Accounts, or Trump Accounts as they're being called, and you put the money in and see how much you have, and every year you track it, that's what your retirement is going to be, just like we might have with our 401(k)s or our IRAs, that is a system that actually has true solvency. Otherwise, it becomes this runaway train of liability. That's effectively what the states have set up, and it's very dangerous.
Jason Calacanis
And if we were to take government out of it and then every American just had to put 10%, 12%, or 14% into their retirement account, and it was forced, you'd have happy people who feel some agency in their lives, which the people of Australia do. Chamath, who's your loser for 2026?
Chamath Palihapitiya
I will pick the software industrial complex. These are the companies that sell licensed SaaS to the corporations of America. It's about a $3 trillion to $4 trillion-a-year economy, and that is separated into 3 buckets.
Bucket 1, which is the smallest, is the initial licensing. That's probably 5% to 10%. Buckets 2 and 3, where all the money is made, are what's called maintenance and migration: How do I just maintain this big, bulky license that I just bought for $300 million, as an example, or how do I migrate it from product A to product B? Those last 2 buckets represent 90% of all the dollars in revenue that's generated in software.
Because of the advancement of these models and the advancement of these technological techniques that we are all uncovering—building agents, building systems—I think you're going to see that total economic opportunity shrink and contract aggressively. The companies will still be able to do their business; it'll just be at a much, much lower incremental revenue. The customers will be able to do their business, they'll have a lot more flexibility, and a lot of upstarts will have opportunity.
I'm speaking my book, obviously, but I'm seeing it on the ground. When you have a company building software, 80% to 90% of the business has basically migrated to disrupting maintenance and migration patterns. I cannot describe how much opportunity there is. It's very tactical, mundane, not very sexy work, but it's incredibly lucrative.
And so I expect that thing is going to shrink. It's going to impact SaaS companies, particularly public SaaS companies, quite severely in 2026.
Jason Calacanis
What do you got, Sacks, for your biggest business loser of 2026?
David Sacks
For me, we already talked about this, but it was California because of the wealth tax and also the onerous regulations driving business and capital out of the state. I hope you guys are right that it does not make the ballot. If it does, I think there will be a panic and rush for the exits.
Regardless, there are 2 major refineries closing by the spring. Higher gas prices will be the result. I just think that the politicians are not doing a good enough job in California dispelling the fears and the actual hostility of the business environment.
Jason Calacanis
That's a great one. I went with young white-collar workers in America. I think they're going to be the biggest business loser. I think it's getting really hard for them to get entry-level jobs. I'm seeing that all over the place because companies are having an easier time just automating with AI than training up Gen Z graduates. That's my belief. That's why I launched Founder University on 3 continents.
If you're a young person, you've got to be resilient. You're going to have to be self-reliant, independent of what Mamdani says about collectivism. It's easier to use AI than it is to train people up, and we don't have professional development. That needs to come back. I just did an interview with the CEO of McKinsey.
The big challenge in corporate America is that they're taking out the bottom 2 or 3 rungs and automating stuff. We really need to develop young people so that they have a path to take the CEO jobs eventually, and I don't think they're going to have an easy time doing that. That's why I think all young people should start companies. I am talking my own book. I am talking about founder.university. Please apply in Japan, Saudi, and America. We're going to help you build companies. Thank you for my promo.
David Sacks
Jason, I got a text last night from a friend in response to your comment about young people not being able to find jobs because of AI, which is a statement you've made a couple of times. He went to a roundtable of 50 CEOs of public and private companies and asked everyone if they're hiring junior engineers. Everyone said they are still hiring them, but not as much as before, because during COVID every college lowered the bar on admissions and the talent just isn't as good anymore.
My friend went on and said, "You should talk about this to counter Jason's point about AI taking young people's jobs. We see this with financial analysts and salespeople we hire. The Gen Z kids are all really challenging to hire because of cultural issues, not because we're not hiring them due to AI. So, we try to hire older people primarily to fill those roles."
There's a really interesting point that he was making. I texted a couple of other friends to ask their opinion, and I've heard this concurrence, which is that a lot of people think recent grads out of college—and this may be a COVID-era phenomenon—just don't seem to have the temperament, the motivation, the organizational skills—
Jason Calacanis
Executive function, yeah.
David Sacks
Executive function. And, by the way, some of our friends I've talked to who have kids graduating from college, there's even a conversation that none of these kids are motivated to get jobs or to make money. There's a very weird phenomenon in the youth right now.
This may be a COVID phenomenon, and it may be a cultural thing that's part of the long arc of what's going on in our society. Or it may be a socialist trend, or it may be a populist trend, or it may just be that people have gotten too wealthy and the nation has truly split and you can't climb the ladder anymore.
David Sacks
There’s a bunch of things going on here, but I do not think—and I think a lot of people are echoing this, JCal—that the challenges young people are having finding employment are purely rooted in an AI and automation phenomenon. But it may be a cultural phenomenon. So I just put that on the plate for you to consider.
Jason Calacanis
I do think it’s both. I do think it is partially what you’re saying: maybe these young folks have either become entitled, or their parents have enough money for them to skate and go sideways and maybe not be as career motivated. It could be a social thing, it could be a COVID thing, it could be all of those, and it’s certainly multifactorial. I just know what I see on the ground, which is so many companies coming to me saying, “We can replace the bottom third of these tasks,” and those bottom third of tasks are typically done by young people out of school. So I think both things are probably true to a certain extent, and time will tell.
I do think it’s going to be challenging and continue to be challenging, and you see that in the numbers from Google, Uber, Coinbase—all these companies are doing more with less. Maybe that’s just the nature of AI. Maybe the first thing you do is cut costs, and maybe the second thing you do is hire people who know how to use these tools. If you are a young person who uses AI tools, you’re going to find a job. If you’re a young person who isn’t motivated and doesn’t use AI tools, you’re going to have a hard time.
Jason Calacanis
Let’s go with the biggest deal. Last year’s prediction for biggest deal for 2025: traditional auto OEM consolidation. That was you, Chamath. I think we haven’t seen exactly the consolidation, but we have seen those businesses come apart, so I think I give you 2/3 of a credit there. Sacks, you said a tidal wave of M&A. I think you’re not wrong there; that has started to happen, certainly. Friedberg, you said massive compute buildout deals. Of course, you nailed that one.
I said consolidation amongst the on-demand economy. That hasn’t happened, but we do see a lot of deals occurring. Gavin said a tidal wave of M&A. I also said Apple would buy Warner Bros. I got that, I guess—that wound up going to Netflix—so I give myself 1/2 point for that. What do you have as your biggest deal for 2026, David Sacks?
David Sacks
Well, I don’t want to get too specific here in terms of names of companies and that sort of thing. But what I would say is that I think there was a breakthrough in the last couple of months in terms of these coding assistants. They’ve been around for a while, but there seems to have been another level of quality achieved just in the last month or so.
You’re really starting to hear—maybe a lot of it is hype—but I think a lot of people are getting very excited about the potential here. Part of it is coding; part of it is just tool use. You can download the programs, so they have access to your file drive and can take actions on your computer. This trend feels to me like chatbots did at the end of 2022 going into 2023, where people were really hyped about it, but then it continued to play out in the next year. So I think this whole coding-assistance and tool-use trend will get bigger and bigger this year.
Jason Calacanis
Friedberg, what do you got for biggest deal?
David Friedberg
Russia-Ukraine, I think it’s going to settle this year. I think there are a lot of motivating factors to get it settled this year—economic and other political factors—but I do think it’s going to settle this year, and it’s going to bring a bit more stability to that region. There’s a whole reset underway this year, I think, in terms of geopolitics and where the powers all sit.
Jason Calacanis
Trump can stop that war; he would be 2 for 2. I think this one’s going to settle.
David Friedberg
That would be great. He may not have done it on day 1, but if he gets it done in year 2, that’s good enough for me.
Jason Calacanis
Chamath, biggest deal for 2026. What do you got?
Chamath Palihapitiya
It’s not a specific deal, but it’s an approach. I think that M&A cannot happen, and so it’s the IP-license M&A workaround. I think you’re going to see hundreds of billions of dollars of these kinds of deals. This is the deal that Google did with Character AI. It’s the same thing that they did.
Jason Calacanis
Microsoft did it, yeah.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Microsoft did it. It’s obviously what Nvidia did with Groq. Why are these deals happening? If you just look at what Facebook tried to do, they tried to buy Manus for $2.5 billion. Manus was a Chinese company that then left China and essentially rebuilt itself as a Singaporean business.
The Chinese have now said, “We’re going to look at this.” They are going to actively impose export controls. They’re going to actively look at which technologies and even which researchers are working on things that are critical enough that they just can’t go abroad in this existential fight that they believe they’re in with the United States. The United States is in an equivalent position.
All of this leads me to believe that traditional M&A is effectively dead. I think it’s going to be impossible to get a large transaction done. So how will you do it? You’ll do what Sundar did. You’ll do what Satya did. You’ll do what Jensen did. You’ll do what we did with Scale AI. These huge licensing deals basically replace M&A.
I think that, as a deal type, will get better and more refined and tighter and better executed. We were the third or fourth of these kinds of deals, and even the third or fourth iteration was quite good. By the middle part of next year, after you’ve done 15 or 20 of these things, I think the lawyers who work on these things and the accountants will just be bulletproof. The tax treatment is not ideal, but the speed at which you can do them is phenomenal, because the next day somebody like Sundar can be working for Jensen, which is what Jensen wants. They want the talent. Zuckerberg wants the talent working there the next day.
Jason Calacanis
And the IP.
Chamath Palihapitiya
And the IP, of course.
Jason Calacanis
For 2026, I think we’re going to see some massive M&A. It doesn’t matter to me how it occurs, but I do think we’re going to see a $50 billion-plus deal. I think it could be one of the Mag 7—Apple, Meta, Microsoft, or Amazon—going out and trying to buy xAI, Mistral, Perplexity, or Anthropic. One of those 4 comes to mind.
I know most of them probably want to go public and go it alone, but I think an offer could come in during that race among the 6 or 7 large language models. Man, it is a battle where they are moving up and down the rankings and beating each other out. I think one of them is going to go for it. I think it could wind up being Apple.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I mean Meta or Amazon buying Anthropic or Perplexity. I started where you were, but this is why I went to this deal type as the biggest business winner: if any of those companies tried to buy, let’s just say, Anthropic, I think it’s 3 years of antitrust minimum. It’s worse than when Microsoft tried to buy Activision, because that was a niche product, and even that took almost 2 years and 3 or 4 months, if I’m getting it right—or about 2 years.
It’s a huge slog because it’s about global coordination of multiple regulators. You have to get through the EU, and eventually one of them takes the lead position. But in the Microsoft case, it wasn’t just one. You had to navigate China. You had to navigate Europe.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah.
Chamath Palihapitiya
So I agree with you, because I think there are companies with so much cash on their balance sheets that they’re effectively getting debased every day. The markets will start to punish these companies. It just seems like you’re right: there’s going to be a $100 billion transaction. I just suspect it’ll end up as an IP license.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah. And I think President Trump, one of his great strengths is that he moves quickly. Man, what a first year. Whether you like the decisions or not, he makes decisions. I think this is one of the things that Democrats are learning: you have to actually get things done for the American people.
I think he might instruct our government to let M&A be great again, and that would be great for American exceptionalism. These companies do need to merge and continue to grow, and we should go try to get from a Mag 7 to a Mag 17. We need more, bigger companies with bigger footprints taking on global markets.
Most contrarian belief. People like this one. I said OpenAI loses its lead in the AI race, and in fact that has happened. If you look at the arenas and you look at their market share, they are being challenged. Chamath, you said the banking crisis in one of the major mainline banks. Gavin said 1 year of 5%-plus GDP growth at one point over the next couple of years. Well done, Sacks. Friedberg, you said socialism roars back. Another amazing prediction.
What’s your prediction for this year, since you crushed it last year? Friedberg, go ahead.
David Friedberg
My prediction is based on the premise that I think there is going to be this revolution in Iran and the Ayatollahs are going to be out. That’s not the contrarian belief. I think that’s the standard belief, and I think that is going to happen, and that’s the premise.
But a lot of people think that Iran is part of the destabilizing force in the Middle East. I do think that, already in anticipation of the turnover with the ruling parties in Iran, there is this brewing conflict amongst the other Arab states. So I think that between the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and this faction in Yemen—and I don’t know if you guys have followed, but there’s this kind of emerging independence movement for Somaliland, which is north of Somalia—there may be more conflict brewing in the Middle East than anyone anticipates for this year that will not necessarily involve Israel and/or Iran.
David Friedberg
It will actually be amongst the other Gulf states as they vie for influence and power. The contrarian point may, in fact, be that Iran has been a stabilizing force in that region, and that by removing Iran and changing it into this kind of independent democratic state, the conflict will be heightened. There is going to be a battle over who is going to take care of the Palestinians as the two-state solution emerges, and what role Jordan is going to have to play versus Egypt and Saudi Arabia. It is going to lead to a lot of questions about resource allocation. So I think that this year could end up being a little bit nastier than folks anticipate in the Middle East as Iran turns over.
David Sacks
Yes. I said that AI will increase demand for knowledge workers, not decrease it. I would refer you to Erin Levy's post called “Jevons Paradox for Knowledge Workers.” The point of Jevons' paradox is that as the cost of a resource goes down, the aggregate demand for it actually increases because you discover more and more use cases.
I think this will certainly happen with code. In the past, it has been very expensive to generate code. You have to hire engineers, there aren't enough of them, and it's an expensive resource. So the amount of software generated in the economy was limited by that. I think it's going to increase massively now because the cost of generating code is coming down so much.
But there are other examples, too. Take a field like radiology, which is frequently cited as a profession that AI is going to put out of business. That's not what the data shows. The data shows that the number of radiologists is increasing. Why? Because the number of scans that people want to make is increasing. It's true that AI can do some of the work, but you still need a doctor to prompt the AI, interpret the AI, and validate it.
So you get more efficient, the cost of scans goes down, and instead of it being a super-specialty that happens very rarely—that you need a referral on top of a referral to get—it becomes something that's normalized. Everyone starts doing it, and you start getting more and more scans. That leads to better and better outcomes. I think there are going to be a lot of those examples throughout the economy, and we're going to look back and see that the job-loss narrative was not only wrong, but that we actually got job gains.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. For those of you who want to understand Jevons' paradox a little more, you can look at something like electricity, steel, or concrete. When we lowered the cost of those things, people didn't use less of them. They built skyscrapers, and we had more routes for more airplanes to take you on more vacations. That went from being something only rich people did to something everybody did. Jevons' paradox is definitely at work.
Chamath, what's your contrarian belief?
Chamath Palihapitiya
I have 2. I'll give you both, and you can decide. My contrarian belief number 1 is that I don't think SpaceX will IPO. I think it will reverse-merge into Tesla, and I think Elon will use it as a moment to consolidate control and power of his 2 seminal assets into 1 cap table.
Jason Calacanis
Oh my God, I love that. Wow.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, he's talked about that before.
Jason Calacanis
He's talked about having a holding company for years to hold the entire collection. You could put Neuralink in there, too, right, Chamath? You could put in the Boring Company as well.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Sure. I'm just giving you my contrarian take. There will be no IPO for SpaceX. I think it will specifically be a reverse merger.
Jason Calacanis
There you go.
Chamath Palihapitiya
The second contrarian take is that I think the central banks will realize that there are limitations to gold and limitations to Bitcoin and will, as a result, seek out a completely new cryptographic paradigm that they can control on their balance sheet, that is fungible, that is tradable, and that is completely secure and private.
I think the reason why that privacy needs to exist is that, for the sovereignty of a country, you need to be in a position where you have assets that are not easily disclosed to anybody else, friends or enemies alike. Separately, cryptographically, if you're going to own a currency, you need to hedge against the eventual risk, in the next 5 to 10 years, that there's a quantum chip that can challenge the existing cryptographic schemes that are used.
For my contrarian belief, I was thinking about going with OpenAI losing its lead and not being the number 1 company again. I do think that will be the trend: that it will continue to give up market share to other players, including Google Gemini, xAI, et cetera. But I'm going to go with a pretty wild card here.
I think the standoff with China is going to be largely resolved, and I think that when President Trump makes his visit there—I don't know if you're going to go on that one, Sacks—I think he should obviously be included in it because of the AI race. I do think that the standoff and the issues around Taiwan are going to be resolved. I think this could be the signature issue of Trump's second term: that we work out a working relationship where both China and America win without one of us losing.
Jason Calacanis
Best-performing asset. Last year's prediction: I said the Magnificent 7, which was up 22% versus the S&P 500, which was up 17%. Chamath, you were long CDS for a potential run on a major bank. You said it was a long shot. Sacks said high-bandwidth memory makers like Micron, which was up 230%. That was a great call. Friedberg, you said Chinese tech stocks and ETFs. Alibaba is up 85%, and the Chinese tech ETF is up 47% versus the S&P 500 at 17%. So I guess that means Sacks, Friedberg, and then myself.
What do you have for this year's best-performing asset? Friedberg?
David Friedberg
Polymarket. Polymarket's on a tear: network effects, replacing media, replacing markets.
Jason Calacanis
Congrats to our friend Shayne Coplan and Polymarket. Do you have a best-performing asset for 2026? Go ahead, Chamath.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I would pick a basket of critical metals.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, a basket of critical metals. What do you have, Sacks?
David Sacks
It's getting a little redundant for me, but I just said the expanding supercycle in tech. Again, this is just another facet of the boom. But actually, let me just show you some data that literally just came out. I feel like this is breaking news.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, breaking news.
David Sacks
Nick, can you pull this up? U.S. productivity just surged 4.9%, the strongest reading in nearly 6 years. And the news item is that the Atlanta Fed's forecast for Q4 GDP just climbed to 5.4%. Can that be right?
Jason Calacanis
Yes. Can we get a fact-check on that? 5% to 6% is, I think, where we're going to see it, guys. We're going to see some 6% prints.
The January 8, 2026, Atlanta Fed GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2025 is 5.4%, a significant jump from the previous estimate of 2.7% on January 5.
Chamath Palihapitiya
You have to remember that there's going to be a 150-basis-point correction in Q4 GDP because of the government furlough. So let's say that GDP was probably, call it, 4%. You're going to see a print of 2.5%. You need to readjust that because now all the government workers are back and they're recounted in GDP.
If you look through 2026, there's a handful of things that I think people do not understand. Number 1, all of nonfarm payrolls has been completely reset and rebased, and the reason why is immigration. What used to be a 100-to-150 number print is now a 40-to-50 number print. Why is that important? Because when you look through earnings and you look at the lower 25% quartiles of earnings growth, they're off the charts.
There are all these anecdotal examples now of earnings just exceeding expectations. There was an article on the front page of The Wall Street Journal yesterday about Ford trying to pay mechanics $160,000 a year and having 5,000 openings. So, to Sacks' point, we are a coiled spring. Closing the border, plus adding productivity lifts through AI and other things, has created a growth dynamic in the United States that will really start to show itself in 2026. I think you should not be short the U.S. economy here. It is ready to rip.
Jason Calacanis
Adding to all that, and just giving my pick, I think if we are in a rate-cut environment, the tailwinds keep happening, and people have a little bit of cash laying around, my pick for best-performing asset will be the Robinhood, Polymarket, and PrizePicks gambling and wagering space, because people will be able to have a little cash around to make some bets. You can put Coinbase in there, too, I guess.
Chamath Palihapitiya
By the way, the corollary to what we just talked about is that if you see 5.5% and 6.5% prints and these employment numbers, a lot of this affordability stuff may not be as accurate as we think it is. Everybody right now is trying to figure out where the pockets of unaffordability are. There are clearly some, but those are narrow and they can be fixed. On a broad-based basis, what Sacks says is right: you have this combination of earnings growth, productivity growth, and now this overlay where you have these tax cuts that are going to hit in 2026.
My gosh, asset prices in general, I think, will do well. Now, you'll also potentially see home prices correct because if the president is successful in making sure Blackstone can't buy houses, but on the other side people are earning more and can enter with interest rates that are now 100 to 150 basis points lower, you'll see a boom in housing where it's not corporations buying the houses but individuals. There's a lot of variables here that can break in America's favor. This is why I think 6% is not unrealistic, which would be absolutely nuts.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, let's move on to the worst-performing asset.
Last year's predictions for worst-performing asset of 2025: I said legacy car companies and real estate. Both of those turned out to be correct. Chamath, you said enterprise SaaS and the software-industrial complex. Again, that looked correct as well. Gavin said enterprise SaaS, and Friedberg, you said vertical SaaS. So we had 3 SaaS predictions, and I had legacy car companies and real estate.
Let me give you credit. Let me just give you some numbers to show you: ServiceNow was down 30%, Workday was down 18%, DocuSign was down 23%, Dropbox was down 9%, and Box was down 6%, while the S&P was up 17%. I think it's worth highlighting that it was a challenging year for enterprise SaaS.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Especially with per-seat pricing as opposed to consumption-based pricing. If you have a static number of employees or fewer employees, as many of these companies do, there are simply fewer seats to sell. Their whole growth model was based on land and expand: you land the client, and then you expand the client because they're adding staff. If you're not adding staff, you don't have more people using Salesforce.
Jason Calacanis
Let's talk about our worst-performing asset predictions for 2026. Who do you have, Sacks?
David Sacks
I just said California luxury real estate because of the overhang of the wealth tax and all the things we're talking about.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah, that one hits close to home, I think.
David Sacks
Now, yes, it does. Actually, what I'm hoping for is a dead-cat bounce. If you guys are right that the ballot initiative fails, then the overhang will be lifted and maybe I can clear some real estate.
Jason Calacanis
Clear some real estate?
David Sacks
It's not easy being right sometimes.
David Friedberg
What is your discount price on that asset right now? I might make a bid if you give me a good clearance price. I've got $100 million laying around.
David Sacks
I'm not paying $100 million.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, here we go. Bestie negotiations are occurring.
David Sacks
All right.
Jason Calacanis
Give him the bestie price—the buy-it-now bestie price. What's the buy-it-now price?
David Sacks
No, no, no. By the way, San Francisco has that insane luxury tax, which they have in L.A., too. You have to pay 5% on any piece of real estate over $25 million in San Francisco. Do you know that?
Jason Calacanis
Which makes it even harder for these high-end places to trade. So wait, you're saying if I bought Sacks's house for $100 million, I'd have to spend—
David Sacks
Oh, he has to pay 6%.
Jason Calacanis
6%?
David Sacks
You have to pay your broker 6%. They're basically freezing the market.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, not the buyer.
David Sacks
Well, you can negotiate who pays.
Jason Calacanis
The 5% so-called mansion tax has just killed L.A. real estate. You talk to brokers down there, because people used to flip houses a lot more. Now you just can't afford to do that.
David Friedberg
Unintended consequences, folks.
Jason Calacanis
Wait, you're telling me taxes slow down transaction volume and reduce the growth of the economy? That's crazy. I had no idea, Sacks. You should write that down. We should do a whole thing on that.
David Sacks
Yeah, maybe we should write it down. I had no idea.
Jason Calacanis
Somebody make a note.
David Friedberg
Yeah.
Jason Calacanis
Chamath, what do you think? Worst-performing asset?
Chamath Palihapitiya
I won't say the worst-performing asset, but I think a very poorly performing asset will be hydrocarbons. I just think the trend in oil is inexorable, and it's down. The reason it's down is that, irrespective of your thoughts on climate change, the trends toward electrification and energy storage are just unstoppable.
What that does is shrink the surface area of where oil is useful. It's not a cataclysmic thing, but it's sort of a melting iceberg. Does it see $65 or $45? On a per-barrel basis, I think it's more likely to see $45 than $65.
Jason Calacanis
I went with the U.S. dollar in different permutations of how you can buy it, because our debt continues to grow unabated. I just think it's going to be hard for the U.S. dollar. We've been adding, I think, $2 trillion in debt this year, and if we're increasing—and again, I know President Trump says a lot of things—the military budget by 50%, that means that's going straight to our debt line. It's going to be harder and harder for the dollar.
That doesn't mean America isn't going to do great, but the value of the American dollar is going to be challenged, which we see in people moving to gold and silver, and perhaps copper.
If you could give us your worst-performing asset of 2026, David, what would it be?
David Friedberg
It would be Netflix if they don't close the Warner Bros. deal. I do think Netflix's service is being challenged from all sides by deep content libraries, and I think we're seeing a great commoditization happening.
I've also heard directly from folks in Hollywood—the creators of new content—that people would prefer not to work with Netflix. They only pay creators cost plus 10% now. As a creator, you're actually better off not doing deals with Netflix anymore. Their content library is going to shrink because of the natural economic forces underway.
Alternatively, if they do close on Warner Bros., I think they've got some good runway in terms of that content library, and they'll be fine. In that case, my worst-performing asset would be traditional media stocks. I do think they're going to underperform. There's just such an incredible variety of high-quality content emerging from independent creators who are leveraging their own distribution platforms through YouTube and others. Traditional media is going to continue to be deeply challenged, as we've seen, for example, in the news segment with the rise of citizen journalism.
That's what I would say.
Jason Calacanis
The Netflix observation, I think, was well founded, because in terms of expanding their library, they just did a deal with Bill Simmons, I see, and with Barstool Sports to move over their sports shows, podcasts, and video shows from YouTube. They're going to take them off YouTube and put them on Netflix exclusively. That's a really interesting trend to keep an eye on as well.
Before we move off the asset discussion, just on best-performing assets, there's 1 category we didn't talk about that I think is interesting: assets that qualify for accelerated depreciation—capital equipment.
David Sacks
Yes.
Jason Calacanis
That includes things like planes and so forth. There's now 100% accelerated depreciation for certain kinds of capital equipment because of the One Big Beautiful Bill. It kind of goes along with some of the tax cuts that we talked about, but that is making those markets super hot right now.
David Friedberg
Absolutely. Try buying a plane these days. It's very difficult.
Chamath Palihapitiya
No, Jason. It's not planes. It's like Caterpillar.
Jason Calacanis
No, no, it's tractors. Yeah, it's generators. It's Siemens. This is why Siemens stock is through the roof. All of this capital equipment—you get to write it off 100% in year 1. It's creating a massive infrastructure build-out in the U.S.
David Friedberg
Absolutely.
Jason Calacanis
There are some companies that are huge beneficiaries of this, obviously, because they're the sellers of the capital equipment. Of course, this is 1 of the reasons GDP is going up: people are actually investing in business again.
The corollary of the statement that if you reduce taxes, the economy grows.
Most anticipated trend of 2025: I said the wrath of Lina Khan ending, and M&A and IPOs being back. I get some credit there. Chamath, you said the end of the deep state. I think you get a lot of credit there. Gavin said, “AI makes more progress per quarter in 2025 than it did in 2023.” That's a great 1. Friedberg, you said the nuclear power build-out. I think you get some credit there, too.
David Friedberg
I'm not sure. We have some work to do there. I'm massively short nuclear.
Jason Calacanis
You're still short nuclear, but I know the guy, Howard Lutnick. I talked to him.
David Friedberg
I talked to Howard Lutnick as well.
Jason Calacanis
He said he's all in on nuclear.
Chamath Palihapitiya
Friedberg, can I tell you why I'm short nuclear? I think we're in the very delicate part of the cycle where they've missed the window. By the time they deliver working SMRs at scale, the problem is that the marginal cost of electricity will effectively be zero. It will have gone to zero because of a combination of solar and storage, as well as coal and oil.
It's just in a very delicate place where large-form-factor nuclear reactors make zero economic sense by 2032 or 2035, which is when, through the Byzantine permitting and building process, they get them done. The SMRs, by the time they get them done, may not be able to meet the market either. I think it's a very complicated moment for nuclear. Not scientifically—economically, it just does not hang together mathematically.
I think that's if you assume no shift in the demand curve. If you look at China going to 8 terawatts of production by 2040, or whatever it is, while we're sitting at 1 and not moving, we are going to have a big catch-up to do. The question is: can we really build out 2 to 3 terawatts of electricity generation? How are we going to build out 2 to 3 terawatts of electricity generation? Consider the amount of land that you would need with solar, what it's going to take to get all of that installed, and so on.
David Friedberg
And by the way, there's a lot of stuff in China—if you look at all the big solar buildouts they did, they're ripping a lot of it up now. This is a longer conversation, but I really do question whether we can pin everything on solar. It's going to be a mix of stuff.
So your point may be right that, in the near term, to meet the current demand curve, nuclear is going to be economically challenged. But at some point here, there's an inflection that we have to meet.
Jason Calacanis
So what's your most anticipated trend of 2026, Friedberg?
David Friedberg
Iran becoming an independent democratic state. I think I'm just speaking generally about what's anticipated. A lot of people are anticipating that that's going to happen this year. There's an uprising in the streets, there's a weakening of the Ayatollahs, and there seems to be a moment underway.
Jason Calacanis
Demographics are destiny. There's a lot of young people in Iran, and they do not want to live under the current rule. They want to be free.
David Friedberg
But there is a major economic problem in Iran in terms of affordability. You think we have an affordability issue in the U.S.; in Iran, it's very hard for people to buy their basic necessities and meet their basic needs. That's why they're taking to the streets. There's a real economic crisis underway that's motivating this turnover.
Jason Calacanis
Every year, everyone anticipates some big change in the Middle East, but this could be the biggest rewriting of the Middle East in a long time. Okay, Sacks, what do you have for the category, most anticipated trend of 2026?
David Sacks
I said auditing government spending at all levels. Decentralized DOGE.
Jason Calacanis
That's a good one. That's a good one. Love it.
David Sacks
Yes. Let a thousand Nick Shirleys bloom.
Jason Calacanis
Love it.
David Sacks
Let's do it. Audit everything. We need to normalize independent audits across the board. Whistleblowers, let's go.
It is not acceptable for Gavin Newsom, for example, to prohibit audits, as he did with homeless spending. All government spending needs to be opened up and audited by the public. We need people to see where it's going. That just has to happen.
Jason Calacanis
The Pentagon—when are they going to pass an audit? That's one of our biggest line items. Let's get them audited. Hey, there's something President Trump could do.
David Sacks
They're actually at least trying.
Jason Calacanis
They're at least failing the audit.
David Sacks
Gavin Newsom's prohibiting the audit.
Jason Calacanis
Start where you're prohibiting them first. How about that? Yeah, I mean, just audit everything. I think that would be—I love it. What do you have, Chamath?
Chamath Palihapitiya
I have a corollary to Friedberg's, which is the expansion of this Trump doctrine. Independent of your politics, if you are an economic actor—you own a business, you invest in the stock market, whatever it is, you speculate in cryptocurrencies—you must understand the movements on the chessboard in 2026.
The best framework that I've used to organize myself is this idea of unilateralism and economic resilience. It's just a ginormous trend, and I think the output of it is going to be massive GDP prints on top of everything else.
Jason Calacanis
Yeah. I think I'm going to stick with my prediction from last year going into 2026 again: the wrath of Lina Khan ending. We saw the M&A train start with xAI and X, obviously, Netflix and Warner Bros., and Google and Wiz. So many deals are ready to be done, and they're starting to pop off in M&A. We can debate what structure they are, regulators, and so on, but they're happening.
I'll go with IPOs coming back right now. You've got to anticipate that 2 of the following will file: SpaceX, Anduril, Stripe, Anthropic, and OpenAI. I think 2 of those file, and it's going to be gangbusters.
The public wants these shares. They're buying them in the secondary markets. We have half as many publicly traded companies, and the public would like to participate. This is something Trump can uniquely do that the Democrats were trying to stop and slow down, which was M&A and IPOs.
I think this will be the year of the mega-IPO, and it's going to be very exciting for Silicon Valley. It's going to be very exciting for the employees at these companies and for the pension funds and endowments that own shares in these companies. They're going to be able to take that money and put it to good use, hopefully. SpaceX, Anduril, Stripe, Anthropic, and OpenAI are on the short list of companies that could go public this year.
All right, a fun one we like to do is the most anticipated media. What are you looking forward to in 2026? Last year I said Superman and Andor season 2. Superman did great, and Andor did amazing. It's the best TV show of the 21st century.
I think Chamath said, “The enormity of the files that will be declassified.” The Epstein files—we're halfway there. The JFK files—we haven't seen those. Gavin said 1923 season 2. I don't even know what that is, but okay.
David Sacks
Taylor Sheridan. That's a Taylor Sheridan show.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, that's the Taylor Sheridan one. Yeah, yeah. Are you watching Landman? Landman's pretty great.
Friedberg, you said AI video games. What do you have this year, Friedberg? You love the media. You're a cinephile. What are you looking forward to in media in 2026?
David Friedberg
This isn't as much what I'm looking forward to, but I do think the big trend in media is going to be citizen journalism doing exposés. I think we're just at the beginning of the exposé and man-on-the-street trend.
Jason Calacanis
Man-on-the-street reporting, pushing stuff, getting cameras in people's faces. The work of journalism has been decentralized, and I think there's going to be so much more that's shared and uncovered this year. Okay, do you have one?
Chamath Palihapitiya
And by the way, the difference between what Nick Shirley is doing and what we've seen in the past—and what I think is going to be the new trend—is that much of the citizen journalism in the past has been, to some degree, a little more passive. It's sort of, “Hey, I caught this thing and I observed it.” But now there are people who are going to actively take a camera and say, “I'm going to go discover this thing. I'm going to go deep on it.” That's what I think we're going to see happen in a big way this year.
Jason Calacanis
Well, there's a monetization path. You have Substack, where people can give donations, GoFundMe, and, on top of that, YouTube and X allowing you to share revenue in this particular category, which they previously did. As Nick Shirley pointed out, that means there's a path to profitability: get more clicks, get more views, make more money, and then reinvest it. I think I like your choice a lot. Chamath, do you have something you're anticipating?
Chamath Palihapitiya
Exactly the same thing as Friedberg. I'll just double down.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. And what about you, Sacks? Do you have something you want to double down on?
David Sacks
Investigative journalism.
Jason Calacanis
No, I thought we were talking about entertainment here. Well, yeah, I thought—it's okay. These guys zigged where we zagged.
One of my weird things that I watch on TikTok, and TikTok just keeps showing them to me, is these auditing videos. Have you guys ever seen these First Amendment auditors? These are people who take a camera, stand on the street, point the camera into someone's store or a bank's window, and film the people in the bank.
Then they wind up spraying each other. [laughter] There are always people who come out and say, “You can't do that. You're not allowed to do that.” The auditor says, “Okay, I would like you to leave. I don't want to talk to you.” They just do this and instigate people to call the police.
What they're doing is auditing whether the police understand First Amendment rights. How the police react is basically the end of the video. Sometimes the police say, “You can't do that,” and the auditor says, “Yes, I can. Call a supervisor.” Then they teach the police officer that you're allowed to stand in public places and film. Other times, they go to the business owner and say, “This guy's allowed to do this. Leave him alone.” I don't know why, but these videos are so entertaining. I love watching them. [laughter]
It's so good. You never know what's going to happen. Each one is a whole new adventure. I don't know why it's such an interesting form of content. I love watching it.
It's a uniquely American phenomenon: establishing your freedom and your First Amendment rights. The stoner comes out sometimes and tries to physically confront the guy, but then you'll have a woman walking with her 2-year-old child and she'll get into it and say, “Hey, don't violate his constitutional rights. He's allowed to be.” That's the best. They even go into the really dicey ones, where they go to the parking lot of a prison or into the lobby of a police station and do it. It gets pretty spicy. What do you have, Sacks? Do you have any media you're looking forward to? These guys are going with First Amendment investigative journalism, yada yada. What do you have, Sacks?
David Sacks
Well, the new Christopher Nolan movie is coming out. The Odyssey looks interesting.
Jason Calacanis
Great call. Great call.
David Sacks
Yeah, that's mine. Great call. I went with The Odyssey.
Jason Calacanis
What is that about?
David Sacks
The Odyssey.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, come on.
David Sacks
No. Homer's Odyssey.
Jason Calacanis
Yes, but as interpreted by the great director of our time, Christopher Nolan.
David Friedberg
Have any of you idiots actually read The Odyssey? This is not great. I'm sorry, but The Odyssey is a terrible book.
Jason Calacanis
All right. Okay, so we're going to get some good comments there.
David Friedberg
You guys are all such wannabe poser intellectuals.
Jason Calacanis
Christopher Nolan is just great. It's IMAX. It's going to be epic.
David Friedberg
It's trash. That book is blah.
Jason Calacanis
Okay. You don't like iambic pentameter.
David Friedberg
So the idea of some confused person making a movie about it is also—how do I short that? Okay, that is actually—can I short that?
Jason Calacanis
Can I short that movie on Polymarket? I'm sure there will be. You could probably bet on the box office. Pull it up, Nick.
Chamath Palihapitiya
I bet zero.
Jason Calacanis
Okay, it's going to be a lot more than zero, I'm sure. I'm also a big fan of Timothée Chalamet, and Dune: Part Three is coming out. I also like Avengers: Doomsday.
David Sacks
Dune 3.
Jason Calacanis
Oh, I love Dune.
David Friedberg
Doom Part Three.
Jason Calacanis
I love Doom 1 and 2 so much.
David Friedberg
2 was great. I think 1 was a little bit of—
Jason Calacanis
Doomsday will be good. Doomsday, actually, I go with that. Avengers: Doomsday is going to be, I think, fantastic. Robert Downey Jr. as Doctor Doom, setting up Secret Wars, and then you're going to tie up all the previous Marvel strings.
David Sacks
Look at The Odyssey: zero.
David Friedberg
They're going to use Doomsday to bring back all the characters they killed.
Jason Calacanis
Hey, besties. Here's a little something: I think we're about to hit 1 million YouTube subscribers before we do our Netflix deal and take the show off of YouTube. We hit a million before we—
Yeah. Wasn't it supposed to happen like a year and a half ago? We're going to have like a million-subscriber party a year and a half ago. You know why?
Ask me. Ask me what I do.
Tell me why. Tell me why. Sacks.
Because we never tell our subscribers to hit the like button or smash the subscribe button, whatever.
Yeah. Every other podcast I watch on YouTube, and I watch them all, they're always like, “Hit the like button. Hit the like button.”
Oh, God. Well, you know what too is the big trend now is to just do 10-minute quick hits as news breaks. So this is people flooding the channel.
Ask me what I think about getting to a million subscribers.
Any thoughts on this seminal moment for the All-In Pod hitting 1 million subscribers on YouTube? Go ahead. I'm sorry. 1 million.
You're welcome. [laughter] You're welcome. You're welcome.
What's this week at?
Oh, This Week in Startups is a quarter million. Don't worry about it. It's a niche show. Don't worry about it. Not bad. Just a frag. Not bad. Not bad.
Hey, listen. I love doing it. The reason there's four of us—
There's four of us, one of you. So we have four times the subscribers.
Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. They listen. One of the great things you learn in media is when you build a super team, a super band, it can actually do better than everybody individually. So collectively, we can do better. And listen, it's not for me to say.
Listen, I think you've adjusted to being Ringo Starr. [laughter] Everybody says the same thing to me. Without the show, this would be propaganda and it would be Trump's personal—
Who says that to you?
Everybody wants to walk Moose. Everybody says the drink. I'm the stir in the drink. I'm the one who stirs the drink.
You're keeping the private-equity wives watching. Great job.
Absolutely. I'm keeping them in. All the private equities love it. For every left winger that you keep watching the pod, we probably lose five MAGA people.
The MAGA people love hating me. They love hating me and they come back every week to hate-watch me and my takes.
Hate-watch.
They do. They hate-watch you, Chamath, and they watch for a reason. They tune in to hate you and hate me.
Well, listen, it's been a great year. Great job, besties. We kept the band together for one more year. Let's do a Polymarket: chances the All-In Podcast makes it to 2027.
Honestly, it's not 100%.
It's never 100%. We'll do the best we can. You guys love the show, smash the like button, comment, link, subscribe, whatever you want to do. Write a review. Tell everybody how much you love Chamath's sweaters, and we'll see you next week on another amazing All-In.
Bye-bye. [music]
Let your winners ride. We open-sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it. [music]
Besties are gone. That is my dog taking on a shared driveway. [music]
Oh man, my haberdasher will meet up. [music]
We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy because they're all just useless. It's like this sexual tension that we just need to release somehow. [laughter]
We need to get merch. [music]
I'm going all in.