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Compass:服务大众的餐饮生意——[Business Breakdowns,第211期]

Asif Jeevanjee

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TL;DR
  • Compass Group 是约3200亿美元餐饮服务市场的“800磅大猩猩”,占据11-12%的份额,规模之大甚至让 Sodexo 和 Aramark 两家合计营收“差不多才相当于” Compass 的营收。 Asif Jeevanjee 认为,真正值得关注的是合同留存:Compass 的合同留存率达到96%,居行业首位,但在420亿美元营收的基数上,每年仍需赢得约15亿美元新业务,才能“维持原地不动”。他借鉴 Buffett 给这个行业定下的规则是:“不要丢掉已经赢下的合同”(do not lose a contract that you've won)。
  • 有机增长的引擎是净新增业务,而不是提价或销量增长。 销量只贡献几个基点,提价大致跟随通胀(约2%),但净新增业务约为4%——这意味着总赢单率接近8%。Asif 认为,在医疗和教育领域第二轮外包浪潮的推动下,“中高个位数的有机增长当然有可能持续很长时间”;北美医疗和教育市场的外包比例只有约一半,而 B&I 接近100%。
  • 餐饮服务行业典型利润率约为6%;北美超过8%,Compass 在北美以外约为6%。 Foodbuy 是造成这一差异的关键结构性原因。这个 GPO 的采购额约为400亿美元,其中60%来自第三方客户;后者只需支付极低的接入费,带有“一点 Costco 式的色彩”,由此形成“其他参与者很难竞争或复制”的采购飞轮,如今正伴随收购在欧洲扩张。
  • 市场普遍误读了 Compass 的疫情敞口,而这种误读“在股票上制造了一个相当大的买入机会”。 办公室餐饮只占集团营收的20%出头:B&I 占营收38%,其中40%来自无法远程办公的工业场所;医疗业务在疫情期间仍然增长,体育休闲和高等教育也迅速反弹。营收低点时曾下滑40%,但公司走出疫情时的营收基数已经高于疫情前。
  • Compass 正在有意通过收缩实现增长——从疫情前约50个国家缩减至约30个,因为“规模只在本地层面才有意义”。 在德国做大,并不能帮助公司在法国采购食品,因此 Compass 甚至退出了人口规模很大的市场,转而加码自己有能力赢下的地方。Asif 提炼出的可迁移经验是:“收缩求增长,是纷繁噪音中高度密集的质量信号”(shrinking to grow)。
  • 估值逻辑是:约5%的自由现金流收益率,加上保守的5%有机增长,就能带来两位数回报;利润率提升和回购则让中期取得低十几个百分点回报变得清晰可见。 这是一个轻资产生意:客户拥有经营场地,Compass 不承担租金;营运资本为负,资本开支约为销售额的3.5%,股息派付率约50%,净债务/EBITDA 始终控制在1-1.5倍区间。唯一的“一处小瑕疵”是疫情期间发行了股权,随后却在股价大幅走高后回购。
  • Asif “有些担心”的前瞻性风险是:经济中的行政管理层正受到冲击——中层管理者削减、大学非教学人员臃肿,以及医疗成本压力,都可能压低食堂客流。 但积极的一面在于,恰恰是这些压力会促使客户作出外包决策,“实际上可能进一步加速 Compass 的净新增业务增长”;金融危机期间,新增业务就曾帮助公司的有机增长避免跌至负数。
摘要 · 为研究而整理的核心内容

1. 一个3200亿美元、消费者几乎看不见巨头的市场

  • Asif 的基本框架是:Compass 是一家英国合同餐饮服务商,最大的业务“远远领先”来自北美。人们对它的典型印象是“设在办公楼里的企业食堂,你不用离开大楼就能吃饭”,但实际业务远不止办公室。Compass 估算,其覆盖约30个国家的餐饮服务市场规模约为3200亿美元;前台接待、清洁等配套服务还贡献约14%的营收。
  • 市场格局上,Compass 的份额约为11-12%;即便把 Sodexo 和 Aramark 相加,“它们的营收也差不多才相当于 Compass”。而且两家竞争对手更加偏向设施管理,因此在餐饮领域,Compass “无论如何都是最大的参与者”。剩下的市场由各地区域性公司和自营业务构成,其中自营业务正是 Compass 持续挖掘的外包蓄水池。
  • 资金和业务流程是:Compass 向农场和供应商采购,Sysco、US Foods 等分销商负责运输食品,Compass 的厨师在客户场地烹饪并提供餐食;最终结算则根据合同类型、客户补贴安排,以及服务水平协议下的履约表现,在 Compass 与客户之间流转。

2. 留存才是核心——“不要丢掉已经赢下的合同”

  • 合同期限通常为3-5年,体育/休闲和教育项目最长可达8年,历史上一些 B&I 合同的期限还要更长。合同类型大致均分为3类:按每餐固定价格、成本加成并收取管理费,以及按损益分成。Asif 表示,现有信息不足以判断不同类型的盈利能力差异;合同结构主要由客户偏好决定,Compass 会在报价中同时计入利润率和风险因素。
  • Asif 反复强调的留存算式是:420亿美元营收对应96%的合同留存率,仍意味着每年流失约15亿美元。“要维持原地不动,他们每年得赢下,姑且说,15亿美元的新业务。要像过去那样增长,就还得再赢下同样多。”他借鉴 Buffett 的规则是:“在合同餐饮行业,就是不要丢掉已经赢下的合同。”
  • 合同留存率高,首先来自投标和项目启动阶段的切换成本,以及现有供应商掌握的客户知识;但更重要的是,Compass 把销售和留存做成了一门科学,针对这个行业独特的双重客户群——客户和消费者——利用调查与数据,在合同续约到来很久之前就解决不满。100%的留存率本来也不可能,因为客户可能关停工厂、合并办公室,这些都不在 Compass 的控制范围内。

3. 80年跌宕历程:从 Churchill 的军工厂到 MAP

  • 故事起点是二战时期的一项法律:大型军工厂必须运营干净、安全、提供营养餐食的食堂。企业家因此创办了 Bateman Catering 和 Midland Catering;Grand Metropolitan 在1960年代将两家公司合并,管理层在1980年代收购该业务,1年后推动其上市。到了1990年代,Compass 已成为“典型的防御型成长股”。
  • 后续经历过几次偏航:Granada 在2000年收购 Compass 后又将其拆分,留下了一堆酒店资产和加油站,公司的经营表现一路滑坡,直到2006年外部引进的 CEO Richard Cousins 通过 MAP(管理与绩效)框架,重新施加“更多财务纪律、更多严谨性、更多问责”。这套框架至今仍在使用,覆盖赢得和留住业务、赢得消费者,以及食品、人工和单店以上成本等维度。Cousins 于2018年在一次航空事故中去世,距离退休仅数月;继任者 Dominic Blakemore 随后带领公司穿越 COVID——“可能是 Compass 历史上面对过的最艰难挑战”。公司营收一度下降40%,但如今的营收基数已高于疫情前。

4. 美国打法:买最好的、保留品牌、按细分行业运营

  • 1990年代中期进入美国是关键一步:Compass 于1994年收购餐饮服务和自动售货业务 Canteen,营收约10亿美元;1995年拿下 IBM 的大型合同,“可能是当时此前授予的最大餐饮服务合同之一”。随后公司又收购 Restaurant Associates、Bon Appétit、Morrison Healthcare 等,并保留创业型管理团队和美国采购经理熟悉的品牌。由英国派往美国的 Gary Green,负责北美业务长达30年。
  • 真正高明之处在于按行业细分:医院系统的需求不同于大学校园,大学校园又不同于办公楼,如今 Compass 已细分为27个子行业。Sodexo 则选择以单一品牌进入市场,Asif 猜测这或许出于“拿破仑式的集权欲望”;这种方式的效率更高,但“在市场上并没有那么有效”。
  • Asif 讲了一个能说明问题的案例:疫情期间,他委托开展的一项调查显示,自营餐饮方计划转向外包,但 Compass “几乎没有被列为选项”。这让他百思不得其解,直到发现决策者认识的是 Bon Appétit、Crothall、Morrison 和 Chartwells,而不是 Compass。修改问卷后,结果得到了确认。如今,北美贡献了 Compass 420亿美元营收的超过2/3,以及超过3/4的利润。

5. 增长算式与 Foodbuy 飞轮

  • 渗透率就是增长跑道:北美 B&I 基本已经完全外包,但医疗和教育的外包比例只有约一半。与此同时,纯素、无麸质、过敏原标识、供应链数据等要求不断增加,“单一场地运营商,甚至小型区域性公司,都越来越难以真正参与竞争”。长期不愿外包的欧洲大陆市场正在转向,Compass 也在通过欧洲收购,“复制其在1990年代和2000年代于美国执行成功的战略”。
  • 有机增长可以拆解为:销量只贡献几个基点,提价基本跟随通胀(约2%),净新增业务在96%合同留存率的基础上约为4%;这意味着总赢单率约为8%,以 Compass 的销售基数而言,Asif 称其“绝对是一个巨大的数字”。
  • 行业利润率约为6%,Compass 在北美以外也约为6%,而北美超过8%,差距主要来自规模效应,Foodbuy 也是关键因素。这个 GPO 于2000年代初被收购,如今处理的采购额约为400亿美元,其中60%来自咖啡馆、餐厅和酒店等第三方客户;这些客户只需支付极低的费用,带有“一点 Costco 式的色彩”。各方都能受益:采购成本下降、餐食价格更低,供应商则能获得易腐品的需求确定性。这套体系“其他参与者很难竞争或复制”。随着 Foodbuy 在欧洲扩大规模,欧洲利润率长期有望“向北美水平靠拢”。
  • 运营模式的优势在于需求来自合同而非现货市场,因此按菜单规划的库存低于销售额的2%,营运资本为负。Compass 拥有约600,000名员工;接管客户自营业务时,通常会承接其中大多数员工,并利用排班应用在不同场地之间调配人员。相比典型的高压餐厅,这种模式还能提供更规律、更适合社交的午餐时段工作安排。

6. 周期性、估值与收缩求增长

  • 关于下行周期和对 COVID 的误读:金融危机期间销量确实下降,但由于 Compass 同时赢得了大量新业务,有机增长并未跌至负数。办公室业务只占集团营收的20%出头;B&I 占营收38%,其中40%来自“基本不可能远程办公”的工业厂区;医疗业务在疫情期间增长,体育/休闲和高等教育也“非常、非常快”地恢复。理解这一点“在股票上制造了一个相当大的买入机会”。场地方面,Compass 不承担租金,而商业街上的竞争对手正面临不断上涨的租约成本,这进一步拉大了它与三明治店之间的价格差距。
  • 估值框架是:约5%的自由现金流收益率,加上保守的5%中期有机增长,仅这两项“就足以带来两位数回报”;再叠加利润率提升、并购增厚和回购,公司中期回报率看向低十几个百分点。资本配置“简单、清晰且一致”:优先再投资,资本开支约为销售额的3.5%,且越来越多投向技术和数据;辅以阶段性的中型收购,约50%的股息派付率,剩余现金用于回购;净债务/EBITDA 始终控制在1-1.5倍区间。唯一的“一处小瑕疵”是疫情期间发行股权,随后却在股价大幅走高后回购。
  • Asif “有些担心”的风险,是整个行政管理层正在承受压力:企业削减中层管理,高等教育机构由借贷支撑的学费供养着臃肿的非教学人员,医疗系统也在削减非医疗岗位——这些都可能打击食堂客流。Compass 几乎不直接暴露于美国联邦政府,但类似压力可能在其他市场出现。积极的一面是,“正是这类系统面临的压力和紧张,可能催化外包决策……实际上可能进一步加速 Compass 的净新增业务增长。”
  • 最后的启示是,在“连贯战略”内完成的收购可以创造巨大价值,但更稀缺的质量信号是主动收缩的意愿:Compass 从约50个国家退出至约30个,包括一些人口规模很大的市场,因为“规模只在本地层面才有意义”,公司选择“只打自己知道能赢的比赛”。Matt 将这一想法与他观察到的美国铁路自2000年代初以来的表现联系起来。
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Speaker 1

All right, Asif, I am excited to dive into the world of food today, particularly the business of food and an interesting business that sits in that world with Compass Group. To start us off, I don't think too much of our audience will be familiar with Compass Group, so maybe you can start with a simple explanation of who they are and how somebody listening might interact with the business in their day-to-day life.

Asif Jeevanjee

Compass is a food service company, a contract caterer. They're a UK company, but their biggest business is by far in North America. They operate in a very large market.

The best way to understand the business is to think about how many of your listeners will have used a corporate cafeteria if they've worked for a large company. There'll be a kitchen and seating area, and they'll provide hot and cold meals and beverages. The operation of that cafeteria, which sits within the client's location—your employer—is provided by companies like Compass. The important point is that it is on-site, so you don't have to leave the building to enjoy your meal.

Speaker 1

Can you share some general context on the size of this market? I know 2 players at this point, but just how big is it? And what other context would you put around that market as a whole in terms of its health or anything else you would use to describe it?

1. Compass Serves A Massive Market

Asif Jeevanjee

It is a massive market. It's very hard to size accurately if you're looking at the global market, but if we use numbers that Compass provides—they're in about 30 countries—they think the food service market is about $320 billion. That is really just for the food service part of their business.

They have another part of their business that is focused on support services. This means providing certain add-on services, such as reception and cleaning, which account for about 14% of their revenue. Some of the big players in this market are Sodexo and Aramark, but it is quite a fragmented market otherwise, with a number of independent regional players, as well as—and this is a really important part of the market—in-house operations. One of the exciting areas of Compass is tapping into that and driving outsourcing of those operations over time.

Speaker 1

It's interesting to hear that market size. That $320 billion is a staggering number. I can remember looking at the advertising industry a few years ago. It was something like $700 billion. You think about how much that market drives so many different businesses, and this is essentially half of that, but still substantial.

When you mention the fragmentation and those large players, are there any with sizable market shares? Do they break out what Compass Group has in terms of market share, whether it's by market or anything else? And among some of the other big players you referenced, what does a dominant market share look like in this industry?

Asif Jeevanjee

Compass is the 800-pound gorilla in this industry. They have about an 11% to 12% market share of that market. If you were to take the next 2 biggest players, Sodexo and Aramark, and add them together, their revenues would just about equal those of Compass. In the case of Sodexo and Aramark, a much bigger share of their business is in facilities management. So within food, Compass is by far and away the biggest player.

Speaker 1

That's a good opportunity to give a little bit of an understanding of what these things mean: food versus facilities services. I think I have the broader picture, but can you talk a little bit about how the money moves through the system? I assume that Compass isn't growing and producing all of this food themselves. What does it entail to be the food services provider for a large corporation? How do the dollars move through the system, thinking about their suppliers and then how they supply to the customers?

Asif Jeevanjee

If you look down at the food on your plate, there are a number of participants in the ecosystem that will have made that possible. Compass procures food from producers, farmers, and other suppliers. The food is then transported from the supplier to a Compass-operated client location by food distributors like Sysco and US Foods. On the client site, the food is prepared by Compass chefs and served to the consumer.

When you look at the money flows, they're pretty much in the opposite direction. The consumer purchases meals on-site, and Compass then pays distributors and suppliers. There can be some balancing flows between Compass and the client, depending on the contract type, the level of any subsidy, and performance against service-level agreements.

Speaker 1

It's a good opportunity to talk about what contracts look like in this space, whether it's the term of the contract, how they're priced and structured, and anything that you can share on standard contracts, to the extent that there are standard contracts in food services.

2. Contracts Keep Revenue Sticky

Asif Jeevanjee

Contracts are typically 3 to 5 years, but there are exceptions where they can be longer, particularly in the sports and leisure area and in education, where contracts can run up to 8 years. There are some historical B&I contracts—B&I is business and industry—where contracts have been longer still.

There are 3 types of contracts. There's something known as fixed-price contracts, where the client will agree with Compass to a fixed price per meal, and then it's up to Compass to figure out how to manage its costs to make sure it makes a profit. There's another contract type, which is cost-plus, where Compass will simply pass on whatever costs are incurred in making the food, plus a small management fee. Then there are P&L contracts, where Compass and the client will agree to share the profits earned on the operation.

Speaker 1

From an investor's perspective, and even from the business's perspective, is there a contract type among those 3 that is most preferred, results in the highest margins, or that you see a transition toward more and more?

Asif Jeevanjee

Contracts are evenly split across the business among those 3 types, and that hasn't changed very much over time. We don't have enough information to discern different levels of profitability by contract type. The contract structure that's adopted is largely down to the circumstances of the client.

Some clients prefer a fixed-price contract because it gives them certainty about what the outlay is each month in a subsidized cafeteria. Other clients may want to share in the upside potential and elect a P&L contract. Whichever structure is written into the RFP, Compass will factor that into its bid terms to ensure that the structure is commercially attractive to them, both from a margin point of view and from a risk point of view.

Speaker 1

On that point, in terms of retention, I'm trying to get some appreciation for how sticky these contracts might be because you are on the corporation's premises and in their facilities. I imagine there is some ability to switch, and it's not going to be a complete overhaul. What does retention tend to look like for the industry? Good service and steady performance are certainly going to be factors, but are there hidden things that might impact the retention rate and stickiness of these contracts?

Asif Jeevanjee

There are switching costs involved. The retention rate for Compass is 96%, which is industry-leading. That is very, very high.

When you think about the scale of the business—$42 billion of revenue—if you're hitting a 96% retention rate, that means you're losing 4% every year, which is a lot of business that they have to replace. To tread water, they've got to win, let's call it, $1.5 billion a year. To grow as they have, they've got to do that again. Retention is really important.

I like to think of it as, in investing, Warren Buffett's rule is, "Don't lose money." I think in contract catering, it's, "Do not lose a contract that you've won."

This is really the secret sauce to Compass's ability to grow: they've excelled not only at winning business but also at hanging on to business that they've won.

Speaker 1

That 96% tells me that there's something very sticky about their business, and I appreciate that you mentioned it still requires them to replace $1.5 billion of revenue each year just to tread water. What would you point to in terms of competitive advantages that they might have versus their peers? And what else can you say about the switching costs associated with it? If I can comprehend what that would look like, it would be helpful as an example. What would it entail to move from one provider to the next, beyond, “We have this crew that's shown up and served the food here on Friday. On Monday, it's going to be this group”? What else goes into it that makes it more complex?

Asif Jeevanjee

Contracts do move around. Every time you win a contract from another provider, there are bid costs and mobilization costs involved, which can be quite high. So those are the switching costs. But the incumbent operator is also going to know how the operation works and what the needs of the client are, so there is an advantage to the incumbent.

I think Compass's industry-leading retention is really down to making a science out of sales and retention. They keep a very close eye on what the customer wants. And when I say “the customer,” one of the things that makes this industry quite unusual is that there are 2 customer groups: there's the client and there's the consumer. Whether it's through surveys or through technology and data, Compass has a very, very good idea if the client or the consumer is not happy. They will work very hard to fix that long before the contract comes up for renewal. So by the time it comes to the renewal point, they're in a really good position to hang on to it.

It's also important to point out that it's going to be very difficult to achieve 100% retention because, for example, a client might change its factory footprint and close a factory or consolidate offices. Therefore, a site will disappear, which is out of Compass's control. So there will always be some contract loss.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I can imagine scenarios to your earlier point. The incumbent understands the operation very well, so they can probably price the contract to that specific setup, while new bidders might not appreciate it and might come in with a lower price. It might not be bad business to lose in that sense if what's required is going to undercut you on pricing to the extent that that happens. I could certainly see it.

What else goes into their model in terms of, as you mentioned, being the 800-pound gorilla? Maybe we should go back in time and cover some of the history and build up to it. That might be a good place to start because I want to work toward how they've gotten to this place. What is the origin story of Compass? Can you bring us back to the beginning and the formation of this company, how far it goes back, and then we can work our way forward?

3. Compass Survives Every Challenge

Asif Jeevanjee

It's a really interesting history, fascinating because there have been so many plot twists along the way. But I also think it's a marvelous story of resilience because Compass has faced a number of challenges over its more than 80-year history. Every time, it's come out stronger.

The origin story really begins in World War II. The Churchill government in Britain at the time passed legislation that said any large munitions factory had to start operating a clean and safe canteen and produce nutritious food for the employees in the factory. This was important because, up until then, many of those workers would have been subsisting on meager rations. It was important for their productivity and contribution to the war effort that they were well-fed.

What was interesting is that some entrepreneurs saw this legislation and decided to start a catering business to help these factories meet their obligations. 2 of the companies that were started at that time were Bateman Catering and Midland Catering. I'll come back to those companies.

Interestingly, after the war, the catering business basically continued to flourish because employees quite liked the idea of meals being provided by their employer. Some of the more paternalistic employers quite liked the idea of looking after their employees and looking after their health and well-being. Also, there were more and more women starting to enter the workforce. In peacetime, the industry continued to grow and grow.

In the 1960s, a British conglomerate called Grand Metropolitan acquired Bateman Catering and Midland Catering and merged them together to form effectively what is Compass today. The business continued to flourish, and in the 1980s, the management of the division within Grand Met did a huge management buyout of what is effectively Compass. A year later, they took it public.

Compass grew and grew through the 1980s and 1990s. It became known as the quintessential defensive growth stock, probably what today would be a quality compounder. The trajectory came to an abrupt end, though, in 2000, when another conglomerate called Granada effectively bought Compass.

There was really very little overlap between the 2 businesses, but the industrial logic was that Granada wanted to put its hospitality assets into Compass so that it could become a pure-play media company in a red-hot TMT market. So the 2 companies demerged a year later, and Compass emerged as this sort of hospitality company saddled with hotel assets, service stations, roadside eateries, and so on.

That then led to a few years where Compass's performance wasn't quite as good as it had been. It was less focused. That really changed in 2006, when a new board put in place a new CEO, a guy called Richard Cousins.

Richard Cousins had come from outside the industry. He was a breath of fresh air, and he looked at this business and said, “This is a good business. We've actually done well on the top line. We can do better, but we've done well. But we need to introduce more financial discipline, more rigor, and more accountability.”

He developed a framework called the MAP framework, which fits very well with Compass, and that stands for management and performance. It had 5 elements, which were about winning and retaining business, winning with the consumer, and managing costs. Those are food costs, labor costs, and above-unit costs.

What it was was a tool to help people across Compass talk about the business in terms that really affect the value drivers of Compass. It became a common reporting tool and a tool to hold people to account, and it is still used in the business today.

Richard Cousins tragically died in an aviation accident in 2018, just months before his planned retirement. Luckily, his successor had already been announced, Dominic Blakemore, and he's led the business since 2018 very successfully, albeit with a huge challenge in the middle, which was the pandemic—probably the hardest challenge that Compass has faced in its history.

At one point, revenues were down 40%, something the business had never seen before. Amazingly, the business has emerged stronger from it, with a bigger revenue base today than it had before the pandemic.

Speaker 1

Very interesting history. I did not appreciate that it was really born out of a wartime environment, and I think we've seen quite a few businesses that at least have ties to that. It sounds like over its history—and let's remove COVID from the situation, since that was certainly a unique environment—this has been a market that has just grown substantially over time. Even some of those pivots that they've had to make were either associated with a less-than-attractive combination and a lack of focus on this core business around the dot-com boom, or, with the changing of the guard in the late 2000s, it sounds like that was more focused on the cost side of the equation, not on the top line.

So has this just been a very healthy, steadily growing market over its history that has offered a lot of runway for them to capture? Is that a fair way to categorize it?

Asif Jeevanjee

I think you're right. It has been a healthy market, but I think it's really important to give Compass credit for some of the moves they made to capture more than their fair share.

One thing I really missed in the history of Compass is what they did in the mid-1990s, which was to really launch in the US. Compass was predominantly a UK business up until then. They realized that the US was really exploding due to a wave of outsourcing that had been taking place since the 1980s, and they sent some executives over from the UK.

One of them was a guy called Gary Green, who went on to run Compass in North America and ended up doing so for 30 years. He just retired last year after 40 years at Compass.

They did a number of things that were really, really smart. Compass was not very well known in the US, obviously, at that point. They were starting from scratch, and so they went out and bought a business. They bought a business called Canteen, which offered food services and vending. This was in 1994. It was quite a big business, about $1 billion in revenue.

Perhaps on the back of that, they won a massive contract the following year with IBM, probably one of the biggest food service contracts awarded up until that point. I think what happened then is that it gave them the confidence and cash flow to go out and buy other businesses.

They bought many of the very best independent regional businesses in the industry. They bought Restaurant Associates. They bought Bon Appétit. They bought Morrison Healthcare. They bought Flik. This gave them some of the leading brands in the industry. It brought in a lot of talent because these were entrepreneurial businesses that had been very successful, and they retained many of the management teams.

What’s really interesting is that they didn’t then just plaster those businesses with the Compass brand. They retained those brands, which were known to American purchasing managers. And then they did something really smart, which was to sectorize the business.

Restaurant Associates, let’s say, is very strong within B&I. Morrison is very strong within the healthcare industry. Let’s operate along those lines because we recognize that what a hospital system wants from its contract is going to be very different from what a university campus wants or what an office tower wants. That sectorization approach has been incredibly successful.

Interestingly, the competitors have not adopted that. Sodexo, for example—their next-biggest competitor, a French company—has really gone out with the Sodexo brand. I’ve often wondered: Is this out of a Napoleonic desire to centralize, or is it because they thought it would be more efficient? In some ways, it has been, but it has also not been as effective in the marketplace.

This approach of being sectorized, keeping these well-known brands, and being quite aggressive about scaling up the business through acquisition was remarkably successful. From a standing start, they’ve built the U.S. business—or North American business, I should say—into a huge business. If I look at Compass’s revenue today, it’s about $42 billion, and more than two-thirds of that is coming from North America. In fact, because it’s a more profitable business and because it’s so scaled, it accounts for more than three-quarters of Compass’s profits.

Speaker 1

It’s really interesting, especially your point on the decision to keep independent brands operating within their sectors. I find this to be an interesting dynamic across the business universe when companies decide to consolidate and have one enterprise brand that really operates across the system versus having independents with their sector specialties.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be getting the hospital food if I’m at the business. There are certain dynamics that make a lot of sense, but it also offers some theoretical expertise, or it gives the idea that there is expertise in terms of operating those systems relative to some of the competitors. It’s an interesting theme that you see across the business universe, and it’s fun to hear about.

Asif Jeevanjee

That’s right. Sectorization is a really interesting approach, and it enables a number of benefits. One is the ability to use reference contracts in a pitch more effectively. If a potential client is, say, a hospital system, Compass can show them what they’ve accomplished in another hospital system of a similar size, maybe in the same state. That’s much more persuasive than showing something generic or from a different sector.

Down to the site level, contracts are very bespoke, and Compass’s brand and sectorization approach has really helped with that. In fact, it has been so effective that Compass has taken things to the next level and subsectorized the business. Today, Compass operates along 27 subsectoral lines.

I’ve got a fun story to illustrate that this really is how Compass functions. During the pandemic, Compass, along with the rest of the sector, was under intense pressure due to the lockdowns. I had a hunch that if Compass were feeling the heat, then the self-op part of the market was going to be feeling it even more keenly, and that might actually drive more outsourcing.

To test the theory, I commissioned a survey to ask various organizations whether they currently outsourced their catering and, if not, whether they planned to do so. If they did plan to outsource, who were they considering partnering with? Was it Compass, Aramark, Sodexo, or someone else?

When the results of the survey came back, they did indeed show that many organizations were contemplating subcontracting out their currently in-house operation. But Compass hardly came up as a choice. This was a bit of a head-scratcher, and then it hit me: While we investors know who Compass is, the decision-makers at the clients don’t necessarily know the name Compass.

They deal at the subsector level with brands like Bon Appétit, Crothall, Morrison, and Chartwells, and so on. A revised questionnaire did bear this out. That was quite a nice proof point about sectorization.

Speaker 1

On the point of market penetration—the adoption of food services, whether versus the alternative of providing in-house services or simply not having any services at all—do you have any sense of where that stands today in terms of market penetration and how that might be measured?

4. Outsourcing Expands The Runway

Asif Jeevanjee

If we focus firstly on the North American market, as I said, one of the things that drove Compass to really launch in North America was recognizing that the market was outsourcing. But that was really focused on B&I.

You can imagine companies in the ’80s and ’90s saying, “Why are we doing this in-house? We should really outsource this. We’ll save money, and it’s really not core to our business.” That sort of wave of outsourcing has pretty much happened, and today almost 100% of the B&I marketplace is fully outsourced.

It is yet to happen within two very important markets: healthcare and education. In North America, probably about half of the market is outsourced. That’s what’s continuing to drive Compass’s quite high rate of new business wins. Increasingly, and particularly after the pandemic, those clients are saying, “We really need to outsource this.”

One of the things driving that decision is, first of all, cost. Compass’s scale in procurement is so large that it’s always going to be able to deliver food more cheaply than an in-house operation. But the other factor is rising complexity. Consumers are getting more demanding. They want to know more about the food they’re putting in their bodies. They have nutritional demands, whether it’s around vegan or gluten-free options. They want to see labeling around allergens, and that’s particularly important in the healthcare and education spaces.

It’s quite hard to deliver on that. You need to have a very good eye on your supply chain. You need to have a lot of data. That requires a lot of technology, and it’s becoming more and more difficult for a single-site operator or even a small regional player to really compete. So that’s driving a second wave of outsourcing in healthcare and education in North America.

What’s really interesting, though, at the moment is that for many years, continental Europe was quite reluctant to outsource. It did happen to quite an extent within B&I, but certainly not in the other sectors so much, and that is now changing.

Compass recognized that. They’ve been investing very heavily in European acquisitions, in particular replicating the successful strategy that they executed in the ’90s and 2000s in the U.S. What you’re starting to see is a real acceleration in organic growth to levels that we’ve almost never seen in Europe. I think that’s really a repeat of the strategy that’s already played out in the U.S.

Speaker 1

It’s interesting, when you talk about acquisitive DNA, to go from a period where that seemed to be a theme in the ’90s. I’m sure there was some M&A over the years in between then and now, but to go back to that time period and have a precedent like that is a little bit further back in time than most companies would point to in terms of executing a strategy. It seems like a lot of the DNA is still in place.

I want to get into the M&A point a little bit more, but before we move on, in terms of market size and growth, is there a way to measure how much the market is growing organically each year? I can understand there are going to be contracts moving from one provider to the next, but is there some sense of what organic growth is for the market as a whole, whether you break that down geographically or look at it at the global level?

Asif Jeevanjee

It’s tricky to do that because you’ve got to assess what the market is. But if I look at Compass specifically, we can tease out the elements of growth.

There are several elements to their organic growth. One is volume growth. It’s pretty hard to eke out more than a few basis points a year from that because the biggest way you can grow there is to convince people who maybe aren’t using their cafeteria every day of the week to use it more often. So that’s a very small contributor to growth, but it has been a positive one.

The second one is pricing. Compass generally passes on pricing to the consumer that’s broadly in line with inflation. They’re certainly not trying to use pricing as an important lever because what they really want to do is reduce costs so that they don’t have to do that. But they’re able to pass on inflationary costs to the consumer, and you’ve seen that particularly in the last few years, when there was quite high food inflation and high labor inflation. They were able to pass that on. Over time, that’s been around the 2% level.

The really big driver of organic growth has been what they call net new business wins. I mentioned earlier that retention is around 96%. Compass has been growing net new business at around 4%, so that requires a gross win rate of about 8%, which, on that sales base, is absolutely enormous. They’ve been doing that to end up at a net new rate of about 4%. Mid-to-high-single-digit organic growth is certainly possible for a very long time for Compass.

Speaker 1

I want to get into the financial dynamics because I think that will inform some of the M&A conversation as well. You gave a good sense of the top-line growth there. One of the benefits of a large player in this market should be a more efficient cost structure. What does it actually look like in terms of the margin profile of this business, and however you might categorize how Compass performs, how the industry performs, and the most important metrics associated with the margin profile?

Asif Jeevanjee

The typical margin in the food service sector is around 6%.

Aramark makes about 6%, Sodexo a little under that, but that's partly because of the dilutive effect of its facilities management business. Compass outside North America also makes about a 6% margin. But in North America, they make more than an 8% margin. What explains this 200-basis-point spread? There are several contributing factors.

The key one is scale. We've got fixed managerial costs and technological infrastructure costs, and the more revenue you layer on top of that, the higher your margin is going to go. In addition, Compass has embedded within it an economies-of-scale, shared-services-type model within the procurement side of the business. I think that partly also explains the margin differential, although it mainly explains the ability to grow the business, which drives scale, and that drives margin.

Just to delve into that, in the early 2000s, Compass acquired a small food procurement technology business called Foodbuy, and that has formed the bedrock of Compass's GPO, or group purchasing organization. The way this works is that most of the ingredients purchased by Compass's chefs are bought through Foodbuy via approved vendors. That by itself is a lot of volume.

In addition, Compass invited third parties—these could be cafés, restaurants, hotels, et cetera—to also procure through Foodbuy. Today, in total, Foodbuy does about $40 billion in volume, 60% of that coming from third parties, and that enables Compass to secure better prices and better payment terms from its suppliers. As an aside, Compass charges third parties a very small fee for using Foodbuy, which I like to think is a slightly Costco-esque touch. It's a really compelling win-win for everyone involved.

Compass attains lower procurement costs, which help it win more business, further driving up scale. Third parties can access Compass's buying power and reduce their cost of goods sold in a way they couldn't have done otherwise. The consumer enjoys a lower-price meal, and if they're happy, then, all else equal, the client will be happy.

Even the supplier is content with this arrangement because, although they might sell at lower prices, they also have certainty about demand, which is particularly important when you're dealing with perishables. This model is very difficult for other players to compete with or replicate. Now Compass is ramping up Foodbuy in Europe, and this dovetails really nicely with the acquisition strategy that will bring scale in core markets like the UK, Germany, France, the Nordics, et cetera.

That will enhance procurement volume in each of those countries. This ought to lead to more growth, which will drive up the European margin in the direction of the North American level over time.

Speaker 1

It's impressive to see. We always use the AWS example in terms of something you need for yourself and eventually being able to sell it elsewhere, but it's interesting to hear why that would be so attractive as an added model to the system and to the business profile.

On the cost point, you mentioned something there around Foodbuy purchasing. In terms of inventory risk, this is always something I walk through a grocery store and think to myself, “All of this produce is perishable. How do they possibly model out inventory management?” I never spend enough time to understand the real ins and outs of it, but it just weighs on me. How does that come into play, if at all, for Compass?

Asif Jeevanjee

That's a really great point, and one of the things I think Compass is slightly advantaged by is the way its model works versus, say, a restaurant. A restaurant is a spot business, but Compass is a contractual business. Compass is able to menu-plan, let's say, for the week ahead, and then all of its chefs at the site level will order from Foodbuy.

The inventory turns are quite high. Inventory represents less than 2% of sales. It's not going to be sitting within the business very long. It's mainly perishable. There might be some food that sits in the fridge for a while, but it's going to be used according to the menu that's already been planned out.

Because you have a mainly captive customer base, you sort of know what your covers are going to be—the equivalent, if you like, in a restaurant business. So it's a very different business from that point of view, but I don't think inventory is really a huge part of the story.

From a working capital point of view, though, what's interesting—and again, different from the restaurant industry—is that working capital is negative for Compass. Effectively, they're able to pay suppliers later than they're collecting from clients and consumers, and that's a very attractive feature of the business, particularly as it seems to continue to grow and grow.

Speaker 1

Every business lover loves a good negative working capital story. I think that sets off a trigger in the brain, so that's a favorite.

On the other cost buckets, thinking about labor, I saw some staggering statistic in terms of the employee base. Can you map out what that entails in terms of labor? Is the right understanding that they have a workforce that is essentially contracted out to the corporation or whoever the end customer is, in order to work the cafeteria or whatever site it might be?

Asif Jeevanjee

No. Actually, the employees on site are Compass employees. If Compass takes over a contract from an in-house operation, it will usually take over most of the employees as well.

As you said, it is a staggeringly big business from the point of view of how many people they employ. It's nearly 600,000, which makes it one of the largest private-sector employers in the world outside of retail. Managing that labor force is challenging, but it's also, I think, one of the skill sets Compass has.

They have a few advantages here versus, I think, their peers and also other restaurants. One is that they've invested a lot in technology, in what they call labor-scheduling technology. Employees can enter into an app the hours they'd like to work, the shifts they'd like to work, and which days they'd like to work. So there's a lot more flexibility for employees versus, let's say, a restaurant.

They can then use the algorithm to match up where demand and supply for labor are. You might have one particular cafeteria in a location that, based on demand, would be overstaffed and another that is understaffed, and they can actually move people across locations.

The other thing is that this flexibility is a huge advantage in terms of recruitment. If you think about a typical high-end restaurant, it's a very high-stress environment. The hours tend to be pretty antisocial. When your biggest day part is lunch for a typical cafeteria, I think that makes for much more sociable working hours.

One of the ways that this actually plays out is in the gender balance of Compass's employee base, which is much more balanced than the restaurant sector. So they have a slight edge, I think, in managing labor, which is their biggest cost by far, and I think they generally have pretty good labor relations.

Speaker 1

These people in their labor force act as extensions of other companies, so it's important to get that right and hire high-quality employees. It's interesting to hear those dynamics and how they play a role.

When you think about the volatility of the financials, and particularly the income statement, I think you referenced COVID—a 40% decline. That probably isn't the right historical period to use as a model. But if you go back over previous recessionary periods or previous moments of macro sensitivity, how has the business performed, both from a top-line perspective and then from margins and the operating leverage that sits in the system?

5. Compass Weathers Economic Shocks

Asif Jeevanjee

Compass is a cyclical business. The main element of cyclicality comes from the volume in the actual canteen, and that's going to be a function, for example, within B&I, of employment levels.

If we look back at the biggest shock to employment we've had in, let's say, the last 20 years, it was during the financial crisis. There, you did see volume decline a little bit, but you didn't see organic growth go below zero during that period because Compass won a lot of new business as well.

I think there's a natural edge there because, in stressed macro environments, I think there's an even bigger propensity for self-operated or in-house operations to look to outsource because their own cost structure will become problematic with a drop in volume. Complexity is rising. So this is actually something I'm a bit nervous about in the future, but I think the offset will be net new business growth.

Speaker 1

In terms of the lingering effects of COVID, we went from 5 days in the office to 0 days in the office, to returning to the office, and we're still seeing that being figured out by a lot of corporations. I think we see 5 days a week, some with 4, and some with 3. There is definitely a return to the office as the standard, but what that looks like is still up for debate.

How has their own business recovered from that? I understand they've won a lot of net new business, which is a good thing, but is that legacy business still impaired in a material way from the lingering impact of COVID?

Asif Jeevanjee

There's no question that pandemic-era working practices were really rough for the contract-catering industry. If the standard working week was 5 days in the office before the pandemic and that goes down to 4 days, 20% of your revenue is gone straight away. If it goes down to 2 or 3 days in the office, that's brutal.

The pandemic taught us all that working from home is possible, and it could be that attendance levels in offices never quite return to pre-pandemic levels. But the good news is that there has been this steady recovery in the return to the office.

All that being said, I think it's a common misconception about Compass that they really only do office catering. I think that's partly because, for many investors, their own office cafeteria is the primary frame of reference when they're visualizing what Compass does.

But actually, the exposure to the office is much less than one would imagine. Understanding this actually created quite a major buying opportunity in the stock during the pandemic. If you look at B&I, it’s about 38% of revenues, so this is their biggest sector, and yes, that is very important, but it’s not the be-all and end-all. Of that, 60% is in business, so that’s where the offices sit.

The other 40%, the I in B&I, is things like industrial plants and manufacturing facilities, where the reality is that working from home is not really possible. In fact, that part of the business was not really impacted during the pandemic. So, in reality, the office part of what Compass does is in the low-twenties percentage of the group. Then, if you go through the other sectors, healthcare actually grew during the pandemic, and that’s the second most important sector.

Sports and leisure was very, very impacted. It was hit hard because almost overnight, sports fixtures and concerts were just canceled. But the minute there was a reopening, people were really eager to get back to those events, and that business recovered very, very fast. Similarly, in higher education, it’s pretty difficult to keep fee-paying students away from campus, so that business also recovered very quickly.

Speaker 1

Another theme that I was curious about is the general corporate office, which, again, I’m doing exactly what you mentioned, just picturing Compass through this lens of the corporate cafeteria. But I’m sure it extends elsewhere, a bit into the rest of their business. Businesses are moving away from having one single hub and perhaps toward having several more spokes, splitting offices. You see the WeWork model and some of the other sharing models come into play. Are those negatives? Do they have a material impact on the business? Thinking about that theme and somewhat of a shift away from the large corporate headquarters, which I think, particularly 30 to 40 years ago, were the standard default.

Asif Jeevanjee

The office model is always evolving, and I think it will continue to do so. I think Compass has also demonstrated an ability to evolve with it. Just one example of that is that during the pandemic, they started a delivery business from scratch, which actually became quite significant over time, to serve certain clients whose employees were working from home. You’re right that the flexible office solution model has grown meaningfully in the last few years, and generally speaking, they tend to serve smaller-headcount firms.

The reality is that those kinds of businesses would not have been Compass clients anyway.

Speaker 1

When you start to transition in terms of seeing the earnings translate to free cash flow, thinking about the capital intensity of this business, what does that look like? Negative working capital is always a very interesting theme for a business. Is there significant capital intensity in this business? Where would that come from, if it does exist? And anything else in terms of thinking about the cash flow profile of Compass?

6. Compass Funds Growth With Cash

Asif Jeevanjee

It is a very cash-generative business, and it’s also a fairly asset-light business. Compass doesn’t need to have a fleet of trucks to move food around. That’s handled by the distributors. As I said before, they have negative working capital. But the real kicker is the fact that they don’t actually own the sites. Those belong to the client.

If you compare that with a restaurant business, which actually has to own or lease the sites they operate out of, that’s a really big difference. One of the ways that this lends quite a competitive advantage to Compass is that whilst high-street players or main-street restaurants, sandwich chains, et cetera, are going to see their costs increase, partly from increasing lease rates, Compass isn’t seeing that because they’re not paying any rent on their premises. That’s causing the pricing gap to emerge and get bigger between what you’d pay to get a sandwich outside versus eating in the Compass cafeteria. I think that is a building competitive advantage.

Particularly at a time when consumers are struggling with their budgets, I think that’s going to drive potentially more volume back to the cafeteria.

Speaker 1

When you pair it with something like mid- to high-single-digit margins, those don’t scream for new competition to come into the market. They don’t necessarily attract major new upstart investment. But in some ways, the success of Compass, to me, would point to the opportunity for some of those larger players to perhaps go out and look at the same acquisitive-growth strategy to roll up the market. Another theme that people love is that the industry is ripe for a roll-up. Is that something that you have seen happening, or what has stopped competitors from perhaps going out and trying to become a more formidable force against Compass over time?

Asif Jeevanjee

What would make that challenging is that in North America, Compass bought most of the best businesses. There isn’t a lot left to buy. It was rumored last year that Sodexo would buy Aramark, which would create another 800-pound gorilla, albeit not as big in food as Compass. But culturally, that would be quite an interesting combination. We’d see how it would work out.

I think it would be challenging, and this is a really interesting aspect of Compass’s strategy: They have been exiting whole countries. Pre-pandemic, they were in about 50 countries, and now they’re down to 30, and I think they’ll go a little bit lower than that this year. Why are they doing that? Many years ago, part of the strategy was to be a massive global player and big in emerging markets, which were going to grow.

Actually, it doesn’t quite work because scale is only relevant at the local level. What you really want to do is to be big in a particular country. Some of the countries where Compass has exited, they’ve sold to some of their competitors, so it could be that those players get very big and successful in those countries. We’ll see. But I think Compass has exactly the right approach, which is to try and get big in the UK and in Germany and so on, mirroring the exact approach they took in the US.

Speaker 1

The limitations of the benefit of scale: Does that cap out at the country level? Is it more regional? I know this is more art than science, but where would you say the benefits of scale cap out when thinking about your point on region and geography?

Asif Jeevanjee

Food is very much a local business. It’s done at the country level. Being very big in Germany is not going to help you in France in terms of buying food. You really need to be big at the country level. Compass really found it challenging in some markets to get big, either because of local competition or because of the structure of the market.

They’ve really said goodbye to some markets that you would think might potentially one day be very big, but they’ve actually struggled to scale up in and have concentrated on markets where they already have scale and where they’re going to get much bigger. With that, I think, comes long-term improvements in profitability.

Speaker 1

It’s interesting to pair that with the fact that you’re actively managing the portfolio of brands and assets that you have, not just in buying, but also in selling. On the buying and acquisitive front, I want to pair this with the valuation storyline, because I’m sure if Compass is to acquire a local player, there are going to be cost synergies that can be realized, which are going to make it potentially accretive. But is there a pretty attractive valuation arbitrage that they can play when buying these businesses as well? And can you tap into some of the valuation framework that you would generally use for this type of business and how the market perceives it?

Asif Jeevanjee

I don’t think there’s a major valuation arbitrage to play where the acquired cash flows are re-rated within Compass, because Compass is, by and large, acquiring very high-quality assets rather than fixer-uppers, and it’s not using its balance sheet to make these acquisitions. In terms of the way we think about value in Compass, what we try and do is nail down what the free cash flow is so that we’ve got a good idea of what the free cash flow yield is, and we think that’s currently around 5%.

We then marry that with organic sales growth, which, conservatively, we think can be 5% over the medium term. That alone gets you to a double-digit-type return. If we stack on top of that other elements of per-share free cash flow growth over the medium term, whether it’s margin increases or accretion from the use of cash on acquisitions or repurchases, then you can start to have a line of sight toward low-teens-type returns over the medium term.

Speaker 1

On that free cash flow generation and how that gets allocated, sometimes when you see, as you mentioned, potentially shrinking the portfolio or the geographical reach, that can be associated with returning capital to shareholders, whether it’s buybacks or dividends. Is that something that they actively do? What’s their methodology in terms of capital allocation?

Asif Jeevanjee

Compass has a simple, clear, and consistent capital allocation framework. Priority one is to reinvest in the business, which, given the attractive returns, is something we’re happy to see them do. CapEx to sales runs at about 3.5%. This can be on a variety of things, such as cafeteria refits, particularly on new contracts. But increasingly, it’s devoted to technology.

This is both hardware and software, and one of the reasons this is happening is that Compass has a lot of data across its supply chain, on consumers, and on labor. It’s investing to be able to collect that data, analyze it, and use it to the benefit of its customers. The second use of cash, as we’ve discussed, is on acquisitions. Naturally, the spend here is quite episodic, but generally speaking, they’re buying medium-sized businesses.

After that, they have an ordinary dividend payout of about 50% of earnings. But to come back to your question, as a very cash-generative business, they still have surplus cash beyond that. In the last few years, what they've been doing with that is repurchasing shares.

If there's a slight blemish on an otherwise spotless record, you could point to the fact that they issued equity during the pandemic to shore up the balance sheet, and now they're buying back shares at a much higher price. But assuming there are no more pandemic-like surprises, I think the visibility around capital allocation is pretty clear, and it's all being carried out within a nicely conservative leverage corridor of about 1 to 1.5 times net debt to EBITDA.

Speaker 1

Is there anything else that stands out from a risk perspective for Compass that maybe we didn't tap into or is worth digging into further?

Asif Jeevanjee

One issue worth pondering is whether there might be a risk to volumes across Compass's business. It does seem like the administrative layer across all sorts of organizations is under assault currently. This is most prominently seen in the US federal government. Luckily, Compass doesn't have too much direct impact because they don't do much work with the federal government, but there is a possibility that something similar could occur in other parts of the economy.

We've heard many large corporates, for example, talk about thinning the ranks of middle management. This would impact attendance rates in the cafeterias within B&I. In higher education, the ratio of non-teaching staff to faculty and students has increased dramatically over the last 30 years. Ultimately, students are picking up the tab for that through higher tuition costs, which they're borrowing the money to pay.

Is this sustainable? If not, administrative staff levels might be reviewed or enrollments will drop. Either way, it could harm attendance rates in campus cafeterias. A similar phenomenon is playing out, I think, in healthcare, where healthcare costs are quite high relative to GDP in many countries.

If I look at the UK, where healthcare is predominantly provided by the state and it's free at the point of use, the quality of care is deteriorating, but the cost of providing it is rising. One way this is starting to be addressed is by reducing nonmedical staff in the system. That ultimately will also cause attendance rates to drop.

Now, this sounds very pessimistic, but there is a silver lining here for Compass: it is exactly these sorts of pressures and stresses on systems that can catalyze an outsourcing decision. Ultimately, if it does play out, it might actually supercharge Compass's net new business growth.

Speaker 1

Well, this has been a fascinating deep dive and primer on food services as a whole, and then Compass fitting into that equation. We end these conversations with the key lessons that you can pull away from this business and potentially apply elsewhere. What stands out to you in terms of key lessons from Compass that maybe are applicable in other investing research?

Asif Jeevanjee

One lesson is that while acquisitions generally have a bad rap, Compass has shown that, executed well and within a coherent strategy, they can create a tremendous amount of value. And whilst acquisitions have served Compass well, they've also been willing to do something else, which is to shrink to grow. That's been particularly true under the excellent leadership of Dominic Blakemore.

There are food service sectors where Compass has elected not to play. There are some where they're quietly retreating. And counterintuitively, they've divested from operations in entire countries, including some large-population ones. There, they judged the risk was too high, the opportunity not so attractive, or the capital required to get to scale simply too large.

Instead, they've redeployed those resources into doubling down where they're already strong and where they see a big runway. One way to think about this is that Compass is opting to play games they know they can win. This goes against the grain of so many companies that are, by nature, expansionist.

I think shrinking to grow is a high-density signal of quality amongst the noise and well worth looking out for in other companies and other industries.

Speaker 1

I love that. One of my favorite themes from the US railroads and their incredible performance dating back to the early 2000s and for a decade-plus thereafter. I love that theme and think it's laid out very interestingly here. Asif, thank you very much for joining us on Breakdowns today.

Asif Jeevanjee

It's been great to be here. Thank you, Matt.