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Sourcery · · 66 min

I Got Interviewed! The Story Behind Sourcery, Alex Karp, Sam Altman Clip..

Paige Finn DohertyMolly O'Shea

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TL;DR
  • Sourcery grew from an investing workflow that compounded into a research archive and media business. Molly O’Shea began by collecting funding rounds, acquisitions, exits, IPOs and new funds for colleagues, then published the newsletter publicly. Investor identities, round sizes and time between financings supplied signals; years of tracking Stripe, Coinbase, Flexport and Figma built familiarity. Her honest exception: “Definitely not OpenAI.”
  • O’Shea approached X as a distribution system she could learn through repeated experimentation. After Elon Musk’s takeover, she saw the platform as a game and used her writing and creativity to grow while working at an RIA that restricted what she could post about. Paige Finn Doherty—not O’Shea—described reading summaries of the published algorithm and practicing 140- or 280-character storytelling, especially the first line. O’Shea’s assessment of “breaking” remains tentative: “I think I get penalized every now and again for it.”
  • Funding announcements need sustained distribution and company participation to earn attention. O’Shea credits announcement timing with early podcast traction, but argues that exclusives which shut out other coverage are “shooting themselves in the foot.” Her billboard analogy requires repeated exposure, and her production estimate puts “maybe 10%” before the interview: “90% is afterwards.”
  • A public wish list converted audience goodwill into access to difficult guests. O’Shea thinks she has interviewed “probably over 20%” of her original 100 dream guests. Adding an initially omitted Alex Karp prompted an introduction; earnings and the biography Philosopher in the Valley supplied the reason to interview him. She read the book in roughly two days and had to reach New York within about five.
  • O’Shea recalls Karp’s sword moment as unexpected and important to Sourcery’s walking-interview lore. The conversation also cites roughly 4.3 million views for the sword clip, 4–4.5 million for the interview, and Paige’s estimate of 50 million-plus wider views. Paige says the interview is pinned to her profile; the transcript does not clearly reconcile that with O’Shea’s account of her Karp interview. The Jack Altman exchange about Sam being his brother was Paige’s; whether it was a bet remains unresolved.
  • O’Shea is prioritizing guest selection and interview quality over adjacent investing opportunities. Despite describing annual reach in the hundreds of millions of impressions and views, she has declined fund, advisory and public-company board opportunities to preserve focus. Factory and headquarters tours attract substantial YouTube audiences, although she admits, “I actually can’t really think very well when I walk.”
  • Paige Finn Doherty’s investing thesis connects technical execution with the ability to explain it. Behind Genius has backed over 60 companies across three funds, emphasizing “technical storytellers.” Her example is Knox Metals, whose public presence she says drives customer orders and investor interest; its new 75,000-square-foot Detroit facility also supplies material for her next phase of video storytelling.
Digest · the substance, structured for research

1. O’Shea used her creative advantage to preserve career options

  • Growing up in Westport, Connecticut, O’Shea watched her mother build and design homes and her father run a marketing agency. Business ownership was the working life she understood. A beachside lemonade stand with her sister supplied an early pricing experiment: “No, I think we’re going to raise prices. $5 a cup.”
  • Her creative training began with drawing houses, teaching herself dimensions and filling sketchbooks with imagined towns. Commissioned paintings for her mother’s clients and graphic-design work connected that ability to revenue. She enjoyed “making it, refining it, and selling it,” then using the money to finance the next project.
  • Asked why she studied art at NYU, O’Shea answers: “‘Cause it was gonna get me in.” At a competitive school where classmates accumulated academic credentials, art was her differentiated strength. “If you know your asymmetric advantage, you have to pour into that,” she says; additional art classes and a strong portfolio supplied her route into college.
  • Architecture faced a different calculation. A USC summer intensive meant roughly nine studio hours daily, while professional education could take five to six years; the eventual compensation did not justify the commitment for her. She wanted “an efficient ROI” and alternatives if the career proved unsuitable. NYU’s examples of theater students entering finance and other crossovers offered that flexibility.

2. Paige’s route to venture differed from O’Shea’s fund-side career

  • The Google 30 Weeks and Blue & Tuck story belongs to host Paige Finn Doherty. As a project manager at the designers’ incubator, she was also building a sports-bra company with a phone pocket. She describes using NASA-derived, silver-ion-plated fabric that blocked radio frequencies. Her research into material science led from thinking they needed to invent a fabric to finding existing suppliers.
  • Doherty says meeting a venture capitalist made the job look easy. She was young, at NYU, living in expensive New York and working many jobs; she lacked the money and risk appetite to build a company without income. VC seemed like a way to learn from companies and potentially use those lessons to start one in her 30s.
  • O’Shea’s own route was different. She worried firms would not hire someone with an art degree, finished her credits early and shifted toward entrepreneurship and business classes. She joined a growth-equity fund doing pre-IPO investments, including spreadsheet modeling, decks and research, which she found “a really satisfying intellectual journey.”
  • The first few funds she worked for were emerging managers, and she says she probably changed funds every year or so. One could not raise another fund, and she was let go from her first job out of college—a “harsh reality check.” She learned that “you can’t depend on the world” and that she had to stay ready to apply her skills to the next opportunity.
  • Finding companies, understanding trends and packaging research helped her identify gaps and overlooked opportunities for her teams. She says she was particularly good at finding companies and diligencing them.

3. Sourcery’s first product was curated information for an investment team

  • At TMV, O’Shea tried to make herself useful by taking work off the partners’ plates and helping them see ahead. Sourcery began as an internal newsletter aggregating financings, acquisitions, exits, IPOs and fund activity. Initially she spent perhaps an hour before work compiling it daily; the workload eventually pushed her toward a weekly cadence.
  • After moving to New York Life Ventures, she published it publicly, and friends spread it through word of mouth. She cannot reliably date that launch: “I have zero clue.” Later, posting on LinkedIn—particularly around her time at Upfront—became a substantial acquisition channel. She says most newsletter subscribers came from LinkedIn.
  • The value was curation: investor names, amounts raised and time between rounds supplied observable signals, while constant exposure built a mental bank of companies. She had followed businesses including Stripe, Coinbase, Flexport and Figma for years before interviewing them. Asked whether she spotted emerging winners, she immediately qualifies the record: “Definitely not OpenAI.” Stripe, by contrast, seemed “really obvious” to her.

4. O’Shea’s X growth and Doherty’s algorithm study were distinct

  • O’Shea dates her serious commitment to X to Elon Musk’s takeover. Having studied his companies and operating habits, she expected a system she could learn: “Game on.” Her writing and creativity were useful, while employment at an RIA restricted portfolio-related commentary. She built a professional posting playbook within those constraints rather than starting with a newsletter revenue target.
  • Doherty—not O’Shea—described reading summaries of X’s open-sourced algorithm and studying how it weighted content. She said she practiced psychological hooks and storytelling in 140 or 280 characters, “more specifically in the first line,” connecting that craft to startup fundraising and sales.
  • O’Shea says she does not know where the recurring “breaking” opener came from, but has “obviously abused that.” Her assessment remains tentative: “I think I get penalized every now and again for it.” She says X had indicated excessive use could lead to downranking, so she would save it for funding announcements, though she sometimes uses it jokingly.

5. Announcement coverage depends on repetition and reciprocal promotion

  • Timing interviews around announcements helped the podcast break out. Doherty points to companies directing promotional resources toward launch coverage; O’Shea adds the surrounding “media storm.” Funding news offers novelty, numbers and FOMO, particularly among investors checking which rounds happened without them. But competing announcements mean a financing still needs a reason for people to care.
  • Her strongest disagreement with conventional launch management concerns exclusives that close off other media opportunities: companies are “shooting themselves in the foot.” She allows that a Bloomberg exclusive may be worthwhile, but says, “The internet doesn’t work like that.” Her recommendation is broader coverage, ideally with distinctive angles, while maintaining quality and avoiding spam.
  • Repetition explains the mechanism. Her analogy is a billboard: “you won’t notice that billboard until you’ve seen it 20 times”; perhaps the 50th exposure prompts someone to read it. Investors, founders and employees sharing a story contribute to that repeated visibility. She wants authentic participation from the team, rather than paid partnerships or repetitive posts that feel manufactured.
  • Her frustration is companies requesting interviews and then failing to engage when they appear. Production involves scarce slots, travel, editing and equipment; she also supplies files and offers custom clips. A repost or reply helps reach investors, LPs, family offices, operators and prospective employees. Agreeing with Doherty about promotion’s workload, she estimates “maybe 10%” comes before an interview: “90% is afterwards.”

6. A public guest list supplied both introductions and a reason to interview Karp

  • O’Shea’s dream-guest list expanded from 20 names to 100 and appeared around October of the preceding year. People tagged candidates and volunteered introductions because the request was visible and concrete. She now thinks she has interviewed “probably over 20%” of it, and wants the list to become an annual exercise.
  • Karp was initially missing. A friend at Palantir challenged the omission, prompting a revision that placed him at “1B” alongside Ivanka’s “1A.” The friend forwarded it, and Karp reportedly liked its ordering, including Palmer Luckey ahead of Marc Andreessen. O’Shea’s takeaway is that people can help when they know what she wants.
  • “Maybe three days later,” the friend called with an opening. Palantir’s earnings and the biography Philosopher in the Valley supplied the occasion: “There has to be some sort of novelty or uniqueness to the interview and a reason to do it.” She read the book in approximately two days and needed to reach New York within about five.
  • The day before, she learned that Palantir would provide production but wanted a walking interview—her first. Karp was “not the best at sitting still,” she explains. A preliminary 15- or 20-minute conversation helped him understand who she was. The format subsequently changed Sourcery’s direction; she credits that interview with substantial impact and reach.

7. The sword and Altman clips made personality part of distribution

  • O’Shea says the sword sequence was unexpected. She thought they would take a photograph afterward; instead, Karp began demonstrating with the sword while the crew kept filming. In her account, she wore a dress and heels for a public-company CEO interview while he wore a ski outfit. Her reaction was visible: “What’s going on?” Nobody present had expected the performance.
  • O’Shea says the first walking interview “literally cascaded” the Sourcery walking-interview lore. The conversation later cites roughly 4.3 million views for the sword clip and 4–4.5 million for the interview. Paige says the interview is pinned to her profile and estimates the video’s wider circulation at 50 million-plus views. The transcript does not clearly reconcile those profile and view-count references with O’Shea’s account of her Karp interview, so the figures cannot be confidently assigned to her interview.
  • The Jack Altman exchange was Paige’s interview, about his podcast Uncapped. She asked whether Jack was nervous to interview Sam Altman; Jack said Sam was his brother and asked her to keep the exchange in. Asked whether the discovery was a bet, Paige first says they will leave it unanswered, then says, “Maybe.”

8. Guest selection requires turning down opportunities that could perform well

  • O’Shea describes Sourcery’s annual reach in the hundreds of millions of impressions and views, yet says the work is still unfinished. Scheduling requires frequent rearrangements and sometimes sudden cross-country or European travel. She concedes that announcement interviews can generate better immediate metrics because attention is already concentrated around them; that does not automatically make them her priority.
  • Her goal is an intentional “archive” of people and perspectives. “The goal is not to be busy and full,” she says. She could fill the calendar with announcements, but that would crowd out the guests she most wants. The same focus explains declining fund, advisory and public-company board opportunities that would conflict with her current work.
  • Jenny Johnson of Franklin Templeton illustrates the kind of interview she values. Johnson had just returned from Uzbekistan and warned that she was not thinking clearly; O’Shea found her references and historical knowledge unusually strong anyway. Encounters like that reinforce the need to return to the central project: refining the guest mix and capturing substantive stories.

9. Walking tours expand the format while making the interview harder

  • O’Shea still defines herself as an investor. Research, diligence, market maps and data shape her interviews: “Does it actually have longevity?” She wants to understand how a business grows, whether its underlying model is durable and what happens when ten competitors appear. Improving the show means delivering better information while expanding the audience intentionally.
  • The Karp interview required neither an earpiece nor note cards; she credits memory and intense concentration. Stage work initially felt different: she recalls taking a shot before a morning Citadel Securities conference appearance because she was so nervous, despite rarely drinking. Now she reduces the task to “asking questions and listening,” and says she enjoys moderating live.
  • She calls walking footage “10, maybe 100 to 1000x more dynamic.” Factory and headquarters tours supply changing surroundings, tools and demonstrations of how things are made—material she thinks suits YouTube particularly well. Those interviews have attracted hundreds of thousands of views. She predicts the Figure AI tour will “probably” reach a million views “pretty soon.”
  • Doherty asks whether they should be walking during this interview. O’Shea’s candid answer: “I actually can’t really think very well when I walk.” The format is demanding for some investors and public-company CEOs, too. Platform comparisons also require care: she considers million-view outcomes easier on X because of its social-network effects, while Instagram remains something she is learning.

10. Behind Genius connects technical storytelling to business development

  • Turning the interview around, O’Shea asks Doherty about Behind Genius. Doherty traces her interest in venture to watching Silicon Valley, then posting what she was learning on Twitter without an existing VC network. She also wrote a children’s book about venture, published a year after college. Behind Genius grew from that path and now backs “technical storytellers.”
  • Doherty has invested in over 60 companies across three funds. Her example is Knox Metals: its founder’s presence in the reindustrialization movement, she says, has materially helped customer orders and inbound investor interest. She recently toured its new 75,000-square-foot Detroit facility, providing a physical setting for explaining what the business does.
  • Doherty experiences walking interviews differently from O’Shea: objects make questions concrete—“this block of metal or this saw.” The conversation is also her 100th Seed to Harvest episode. Her next ambition is to invest more heavily in video storytelling and stronger guests, potentially borrowing O’Shea’s public top-100-list approach.
Full transcript
Paige Finn Doherty

What was going through your head as Alex Karp is swinging his sword around?

Molly O'Shea

He just starts—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—using his skills. And I'm just... You can see my eyes; I'm like...

Paige Finn Doherty

How was your first time discovering that Jack and Sam Altman were brothers?

Molly O'Shea

Was it... Oh my God.

Paige Finn Doherty

Was it at Bay?

Molly O'Shea

Paige.

Paige Finn Doherty

Hello everyone, and welcome back to Seed to Harvest. My next guest is someone very special to me. In just 1 year of full-time building, she's interviewed over 200 founders, CEOs, executives, and investors across public companies, startups, VC, growth equity, PE, and hedge funds on her show Sorcery. Her guests have included Alex Karp, Palmer Luckey, CEO of Anduril, and Brian Armstrong, CEO of Coinbase. I'm really excited to be sitting down with the wonderful Molly O'Shea to hear more about her transformation from an NYU art student to VC to one of tech's top podcasters, and the lessons she's learned along the way. Molly, welcome to the show, and thank you for joining me today.

Molly O'Shea

Thank you, Paige, and thank you for this amazing setup. This is gorgeous.

Paige Finn Doherty

This is gorgeous.

Molly O'Shea

This secret enclave.

Paige Finn Doherty

Secret garden.

Molly O'Shea

I don't know where we are.

Paige Finn Doherty

Unclear. I'm excited to get into it. I was listening to some of your podcasts. You grew up in Connecticut, and I remember you telling an interviewer this story about how you hustled in middle school. You were super excited to sell things and make money. Can you talk a little bit about your early entrepreneurial origins? Then we'll get into the NYU art story.

1. Early Entrepreneurial Roots

Molly O'Shea

Of course. This brings me back to living at the beach in Westport, Connecticut, and starting a lemonade stand with my sister.

Paige Finn Doherty

No way. You had a lemonade stand?

Molly O'Shea

Of course. I think every—

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, great.

Molly O'Shea

Did you?

Paige Finn Doherty

No.

Molly O'Shea

Then I'm not going to say that. I think starting off with entrepreneurial pursuits and being independent as a kid, we grew up in Westport, Connecticut, which is gorgeous. It's right on the water, down by Compo Beach, which is densely populated, and you could just go to the beach. We were cute little kids, wheelbarrowing our lemonade down to the beach.

Paige Finn Doherty

So cute.

Molly O'Shea

We were hustling people. We were like, "You know what? No, I think we're going to raise prices. $5 a cup."

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, like that. Supply and demand.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, exactly. So that was a little bit of a taste. Both my parents were entrepreneurs. They each had their own businesses, so I shadowed them as a kid. I remember driving around with my mom while she was building and designing homes. I'd be at my dad's office—he had a marketing agency, and he was working with lots of clients and doing all this stuff. My brothers had worked for him for a little bit, and my sister and I were always talking about taking over the business.

From a young age, I saw what it takes to build a business, and I didn't see any other reality. I didn't know what being an office worker was like.

Paige Finn Doherty

You're like, "This is what I want to do."

Molly O'Shea

I just knew, okay, you're the main character, right? The world kind of conforms to you, and you get to do what you want. If nails end up in the middle of the day, they just do. Not to say that I literally don't do that at all. I'm really bad with that stuff.

Paige Finn Doherty

You never do that?

Molly O'Shea

I am bad at that. I will go for walks and have calls. I saw my parents build their businesses, do things, make money, and grow and grow and grow, providing for our family. That was the only thing I knew. I started doing my own little things in middle school.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I remember I would—

Paige Finn Doherty

When did you start painting?

2. Art Became Her Advantage

Molly O'Shea

I started art as a young kid. I probably had always done it. My Greek grandfather was a painter. My mom's side of the family are all artists, or at least practice art. My brother's an artist. He's really talented. My mom's an artist, and then she did the homes thing.

I naturally had that gift too. This is funny: In my act two, or whatever it might be, I'll probably be building and designing homes. Ever since I was little, I would draw houses in books. I have 10, if not 20-plus, of these little black Moleskine books.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I taught myself dimensions. I give myself credit because I think that's pretty fucking cool. I taught myself how to build a house in 3D, with dimensions and all this stuff, and make it right. I would build these little towns and make books full of them.

Paige Finn Doherty

Wait, that's so cool.

Molly O'Shea

It's really cute because you can go back. My mom has a bin—I hope she didn't throw them out—with all my old books and drawing books. I did that, and down the line I started painting, drawing more, and doing portraits. I obviously went to college for that, but it really started with drawing houses.

Paige Finn Doherty

Wow. That's so cool. I didn't know that. I knew you wanted to be an architect, or you were considering that. Then you started doing commissions in the homes your mom was designing. What inspired you to go to college for art? How did you make that decision?

Molly O'Shea

Because it was going to get me in.

Paige Finn Doherty

Like—

Molly O'Shea

Honestly, it's a fair point. I went to a very competitive school. All my friends were taking AP courses and studying with a tutor for fun. It was that kind of dynamic, and I was like, "What? What is going on?" I'm a competitive person, but I have to feel comfortable being competitive in some way, and studying just wasn't it. I knew I was really good at art, so I put all my time and attention into that.

I was taking courses at Silvermine Arts Center in Norwalk, and I remember this because, in the fall, it gets dark really early. I would go to this art center after school and take many different classes, from photography to drawing, figure drawing—which is really important for learning the skill of drawing—to sculpture and all this kind of stuff. Once I knew that was my talent, I thought, "Well, I obviously have to use that to get into school." If you know your asymmetric advantage, you have to pour into it and use it to get in, because everybody was going to college, right?

Charlotte, who's been helping me, is 16 or 17 and applying to college right now. She's phenomenally well-educated and has so many great extracurriculars. She has her own path, but I'm seeing through that process that a lot of kids at her school are packing in all these things. It's like, what makes you different?

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

What made me different was the whole art thing, and pursuing entrepreneurial things—making commissioned paintings for my mom's clients and doing graphic design on my own. In middle school, this was probably not legal, but I would pick the metal corners off the chorus folders and make little pendants out of them. I'd go to the chain store, buy chains, make necklaces, and sell them. I just loved the process of making something, refining it, and selling it.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Making it, refining it, and selling it—and making money to fuel the next thing—is this generative cash flow process.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

It's creative, fun, and exciting, and I just kept doing that. For art, it was really clear: art was my thing. Before college, I also did a summer architecture course at USC.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I didn't know whether I wanted to be a creative director like my mom was or go into architecture. I did this program, and it's 9 hours a day. It's intensive. Architecture's really difficult. You have to do 5 to 6 years of school.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

How I calculate things is: Does it have an efficient ROI? Will I be able to achieve what I want to achieve in the amount of time, or will this actually take longer than I think?

Paige Finn Doherty

Ooh, I love that.

Paige Finn Doherty

An efficient ROI.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. What will the actual options be for me at the end of this if it’s not for me? I did that program, and it was fucking awesome. It was really cool, and I loved it. I love architecture, home design, buildings, and all that kind of stuff.

Paige Finn Doherty

I feel like there’s a but coming.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

But.

Molly O'Shea

But hear me out. At USC, right, I’d be in the studio probably making little—

Paige Finn Doherty

Models.

Molly O'Shea

Models and drawings by hand all day, watching the kids go to football games and do all the social things. I’d just be slaving away in there. I was like, “Nah, it’s probably not for me.” And then, this is another thing you probably heard from that podcast: I found out you don’t even make that much money.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You pour all this money into the education, spend all this time that you can’t take back, and then you don’t actually make that much money? That doesn’t make any sense to me. None. I wanted to figure out, okay, I could get myself into school—

Molly O'Shea

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

—for art. I had an amazing portfolio. I won all these awards, state awards, all that kind of stuff. I’m really fucking good at art. And so I used that to get into college. The college was NYU. I went there and went to one of their orientation days.

Paige Finn Doherty

Good to go.

Molly O'Shea

What stood out to me—and a plug for NYU—is that they have Gallatin, where you can pretend you want to study grass and wood. There were kids there who were theater majors and ended up in finance, and athletes who ended up in marketing. You saw that people could cross over—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, like crossover.

Molly O'Shea

—and try things and do lots of stuff. For me, that was perfect. I knew how to get into school. I had a skill set, something that could get me in.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Then I could get in and figure it out as I went, because I had no idea.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Right?

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay, I want to switch gears a bit and talk about the skills and figuring it out. Can you talk a little bit about the first time you heard about venture capital?

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. I think I was in my sophomore year of college.

Molly O'Shea

Mm.

Paige Finn Doherty

I was at Google 30 Weeks, their incubator for designers. I was a project manager there. It was a very small team, probably 4 or 5 of us. I had my own company at the time called Blue & Tuck. It was a sports bra company.

Molly O'Shea

Cool.

Paige Finn Doherty

It used technical fabrics. People are all about space now, but I was about space back then.

Molly O'Shea

You were using space-tech textiles to make sports bras?

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah. It was a NASA-derived fabric.

Molly O'Shea

I love that.

Paige Finn Doherty

It was silver-ion plated. It blocked RF—

Molly O'Shea

Oh my gosh.

Paige Finn Doherty

—shielding, like radio frequencies and stuff. At the time, phones weren’t that big, and this was just a functional product. I made a sports bra you could put your phone in.

Molly O'Shea

Oh.

Paige Finn Doherty

I was like, “Okay, but you don’t want any potential harm—”

Molly O'Shea

Radiation.

Paige Finn Doherty

“—radiation, breast cancer, bad.” So I did this huge study, trying to understand material science. At first, I was talking to my dad, and we were like, “We have to invent a fabric.” It turns out it probably already exists, right? So it did. I found all these suppliers for it, and that was awesome.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Anyway, I got into Google 30 Weeks as a project manager because of that, my knack for building businesses, and my creativity. It was for designers. Building a business is hard, and I wanted to be exposed to as many as possible. There was a venture capitalist on the team, and once I understood what that job was—

Molly O'Shea

You’re kind of like, some—

Paige Finn Doherty

I was like—

Molly O'Shea

The gears start turning.

Paige Finn Doherty

“​​Oh, this is awesome. This is awesome.”

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

“This is going to be an easy job.”

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

All you do—

Molly O'Shea

How hard can it be?

Paige Finn Doherty

It can’t be that hard. Not at all, for me. I know you’re laughing because you understand.

Molly O'Shea

Mm-hmm.

Paige Finn Doherty

But it’s a real reality. What you do as a venture capitalist seems very simple.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

At its base level, you find companies, research them, do a lot of diligence, and choose which ones you want to invest in. Over time, you get to see them grow, and see all the mistakes and challenges. Hopefully, they’re really good teams. Sometimes you have to learn hard lessons, and then maybe one day you make a return. Hopefully. That’s the goal, right? Sometimes.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Once I saw that, I was like, “Oh, obviously, if I want to build a business…” I was probably 17, 18, 19 at the time, right?

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

I was young, and I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I didn’t have the risk appetite to actually go all in. I was like, “I don’t have any money.” I don’t have any money.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

I’m working 10 jobs right now, and I go to NYU, and I have to live in an apartment in New York City as a kid.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s so expensive. I’m eating cafeteria food and frozen food from Trader Joe’s. There’s no way I can just do something for free for a while and bask in unemployment, right? It doesn’t make sense. So, logically, I need to be a VC, and I can learn all this stuff—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—invest in these companies, and make money. Obviously, you don’t make that much money as a VC unless you’re a GP somewhere or you have major exits. But the goal would be, maybe in my 30s, to use all those learnings to start my own company and do that.

Paige Finn Doherty

So after graduating, you had this experience, encountered venture capital, and thought, “I want to go try this out in the real world.” Can you share a bit more about your experience working in a family office and continuing to gravitate towards venture and startups?

Molly O'Shea

After graduating and getting into VC, it’s a new world. You’d think just because someone has a fund, or the name of a fund, that the fund exists. I was just learning about this. I didn’t know much about the industry: which firms are good, which firms have been around for a while, how it works. I didn’t know you could just make them, or what the process is for building them up.

Obviously, there are some long-dated legacy funds and solidified names. But for whatever reason, I thought there’d be no way they would hire me with an art degree. I finished up my credits really early, then shifted over to entrepreneurship and business classes. I took a graduate class in college, which was really cool, and all this stuff. I was like, “There’s no way they’d hire me.”

Anyway, I got into VC. I was working for a growth equity fund, doing pre-IPO investments. It was all the hard stuff: spreadsheet modeling, decks, research, all that good stuff. It was super fun. It’s such a wild, satisfying puzzle to unravel and uncover, to figure out: Do we want to do this business? Do we want to get into this? Does it have a long tail? Do we think there’s an exit? All that kind of stuff.

I got obsessed with it. I thought it was a really satisfying intellectual journey and process. At the time, I just didn’t have the capacity to start my own company. I know what it takes. So I started on this journey. The first couple of funds I worked for were emerging managers. I was joking, but if you looked at my LinkedIn, I probably changed funds every year or so. Some of that was due to macro factors. One of the funds couldn’t raise another fund, and I was let go. As a first job out of college, that’s wild.

Molly O'Shea

I was like, “Oh my God. Harsh reality check.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

But I learned really soon that you can’t depend on the world.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You have to always be on your toes and use your skills to apply to the next thing, and think about what you want to get out of it. I was fortunate enough to get another job—another VC job in a world where it’s really hard to get VC jobs. I kept being able to do it because I had this really great skill set. I could find companies and diligence them.

I know people debate whether there’s pattern recognition in VC, but if you can find companies and understand what trends are going on, you can be ahead of the curve. You can package that together for your team and help them become more knowledgeable, so you can find the gaps: things you missed, things you want to find, places where there could be a sweet spot, something that’s overlooked. Those are really important. For me, I’m just really good at finding lots of stuff.

I can find anything, right, Brett? Anyways, so—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, I feel like there’s a story behind that.

Molly O'Shea

Inside story. But it’s a really cool process, and that was when I started Sorcery.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah. Okay, so tell me about the origin story of Sorcery.

Molly O'Shea

Sorcery started when I was working at TMV. They’re a fund in New York. They’re great. The partners are Sariah and Marina Hajipateras. Marina comes from a really cool background. Believe it or not, her family comes from the shipping industry, and her name is Marina. She’s really cool.

Paige Finn Doherty

Wow.

Molly O'Shea

They have an awesome strategy. They were doing a lot of early-stage consumer stuff that I wasn’t doing yet, in health and the future of work. That was their whole strategy. They’re great, and they understand marketing and brand and all that kind of stuff.

When I was there, it was a small team. I forced my way into that fund, by the way. There’s never been a fund or a job where I didn’t force myself.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Except Upfront. But anyways, when I was there, I was aggregating all this information and making it easy for them. People always say that if you want to work for someone, find the jobs they’re doing that they don’t want to do.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Or find something that helps them and lets them see five steps forward. I’ve always tried to make myself that person and do that. I did that by starting Sourcery. It was originally just a newsletter for our team. I would go through all the deals of the week. At first, it was every day. I’d go through Fortune, Pro Rata, FinSMEs, and all these places.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You know, all these places to scrape what companies are being funded, what’s getting acquired, what the exits are, what the IPOs are, and what funds are getting created—

Paige Finn Doherty

So you’re doing this every day—

Molly O'Shea

—and are getting funded.

Paige Finn Doherty

—internally?

Molly O'Shea

Every day, yeah. I’d set aside an hour, maybe before work. Ever since I was young, I’d wake up super early, so I’d have plenty of time during the day to do more stuff. I was doing this every day, and then at one point I thought, “This is too much. I’m going to do this once a week.”

I had left and gone to New York Life Ventures, and once I went to New York Life, I published it publicly because it had just been an internal thing. It caught on through organic word of mouth.

Paige Finn Doherty

So what year was it when you first did it?

Molly O'Shea

I have zero clue. I don’t know.

Paige Finn Doherty

Love that.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. It could’ve been 8 years ago—

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s just a blur.

Molly O'Shea

—or 2. I don’t remember, but in my mind, I’m still 23.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I have no idea.

Paige Finn Doherty

I love that. It’s a great age.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. I started publishing it publicly, and through word of mouth and friends, it became a really valuable resource because it was curated.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I knew which companies were good and signaling, the ones that could still be interesting. The signals were things like the investors, the amount of money, or the time between rounds. Those are things you can see optically.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I also started storing a bank of information in my brain about all these companies over time. You have a better sense of which ones are interesting if you have that constant exposure and they’re top of mind. So—

Paige Finn Doherty

Was there one where you could see patterns emerging and think, “This one’s going to hit”?

Molly O'Shea

Definitely not OpenAI.

Paige Finn Doherty

Really?

Molly O'Shea

I don’t think I even saw that coming, like, ever. Did you? That came out of nowhere.

Paige Finn Doherty

No way.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, but I feel like Stripe was really obvious. These are really cool because they’re now companies that I’ve interviewed.

Paige Finn Doherty

Huge companies, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You know?

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I’ve been tracking them for 7 years. That’s crazy.

Paige Finn Doherty

So cool.

Molly O'Shea

And Coinbase. There were a handful of these companies that continued to grow, and I’ve been watching Flexport for years and years and years. Figma, and a bunch of these companies I’ve interviewed now.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

And it’s really awesome.

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay, I have a tangential question about spotting companies and tracking talent. At what point did you start committing more heavily to Twitter/X as a platform? I feel like you’ve grown really dramatically on that platform.

Molly O'Shea

This is a very clear answer.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

It was when Elon took it over.

Paige Finn Doherty

Really? Okay.

Molly O'Shea

Yes. I had started doing some of it organically. I had no reason to. I wasn’t trying to make a million dollars off a newsletter. I wasn’t in the newsletter-pump marketing game. That wasn’t a thing for me.

Paige Finn Doherty

You’re like, “I’m writing a newsletter for my friends. I’ve curated companies.”

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

That’s it.

Molly O'Shea

It’s just a resource for work.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I was using it as a utility. I wasn’t using it to create clickbait or whatever, even though I will make stuff that’s funny because I think it’s funny clickbait, but it’s still valuable information. That’s kind of the irony.

I had started doing a little bit of marketing and brand building, probably when I was at Upfront, and putting it on LinkedIn. I’d never done this before. Turns out if you put something on LinkedIn, people see it.

Paige Finn Doherty

People do see it.

Molly O'Shea

They subscribe.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yes.

Molly O'Shea

It grows. Most of my newsletter subscribers came from LinkedIn.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I made it a little icon and everything. I’m a huge fan of Elon. I’ve obviously been watching his companies throughout the history of time and seeing how purely relentless he is as an operator, an inventor, and a technologist. I’d read the books about him, including the Walter Isaacson book. When you study someone for a period of time, you see that he has a distinct playbook he uses for all of his companies.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm.

Molly O'Shea

I don’t have any money to buy a Tesla, but I’m sure if I had one, I’d understand how he built it: vertical integration and all that stuff. He’s maniacal about creating processes and then deleting things that are inefficient.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

So I thought, “Okay, there’s definitely some game theory there.” Once he took over X, I was like, “Game on.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

This is going to be a game. It’s going to be some sort of game of words or whatever. I hadn’t studied any of the other social media platforms. I don’t care about social media. I’m really not a social media person. I’m sure I got into it through Instagram and stuff, but it’s not like I’m addicted. I just don’t have that kind of connection to it. Once he took over X, it was like, “Oh, this is obviously going to be a game.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I’m a really great writer and a creative, and I was working at a fund at the time that was an RIA, so I couldn’t post anything related to our portfolio or companies or whatever.

Paige Finn Doherty

Couldn’t post anything, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

It had to be PC. I didn’t want to get canceled. It was all professional, and I made sure it was on the mark. I used that as a playbook to game Twitter and grow.

Molly O'Shea

Wow.

Paige Finn Doherty

And so I had some advantages.

Molly O'Shea

Okay, yeah. Tell me more about that. I’m so interested.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah—

Molly O'Shea

This is the first I’m hearing about the reason for your transition. It’s super interesting, so I’m interested to see how you—

Paige Finn Doherty

And Twitter has been a huge part of my growth.

Molly O'Shea

Totally.

Paige Finn Doherty

So I love—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

— it. X now.

Molly O'Shea

Yes.

Paige Finn Doherty

Sorry.

Molly O'Shea

X.

Paige Finn Doherty

But no, this was a really important part. They open-sourced the algorithms.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

I’d study that.

Molly O'Shea

Really?

Paige Finn Doherty

And I’d use it.

Molly O'Shea

You would go into—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yes.

Molly O'Shea

—the developer docs and study it?

Paige Finn Doherty

No. I would—

Molly O'Shea

Oh, God.

Paige Finn Doherty

—read the summaries. Like a normal person. I’m not reading developer docs.

Molly O'Shea

And then you’re like, “I’m just imagining you in there, really studying it.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay, press Command. No, I don’t even know what the terms are.

Molly O'Shea

Ah.

Paige Finn Doherty

But it would show how they weight certain things. I’m a good writer, so I can understand what makes a good psychological hook.

Molly O'Shea

Mm.

Paige Finn Doherty

Obviously, I’m not trying to get you or—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—that kind of thing. But I’m crafting good stories. It’s all about storytelling, which is the same with startups, fundraising, and anything in life.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Sales. And so I just started to learn how to tell really good stories in 140 characters or 280 characters, and more specifically, in the first line.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Where did breaking come from?

Molly O'Shea

I don’t know, but I’ve obviously abused that. I think I get penalized every now and again for it, because they specifically said they would—

Paige Finn Doherty

They’re like, “We’re banning breaking.”

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, they’re like, “If you use it too much, we’re going to downrank your content.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Wow.

Molly O'Shea

Well, okay, so I’ll just use that for funding announcements and stuff.

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay.

Molly O'Shea

But sometimes I’m just like, “Breaking: Paige interviews Molly.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Woo! No, I can’t wait to publish that.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

I guess one of my questions there is about the balance of breaking news versus more thematic or timeless content that isn’t as grounded in milestones. How do you think about balancing the two in your interviews? I feel like you do a great job of that.

Molly O'Shea

Great question. This is a constant battle, whether it’s scheduling or anything else. What I saw very early on with the podcast, and what helped it break out, was timing it with announcements.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm.

Molly O'Shea

Which goes back to the newsletter.

Paige Finn Doherty

That makes sense, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

It goes back to all the deals, the funding announcements.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Which was completely obvious, right? I overlooked this. But once I started posting when a company—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—raised funding—

Paige Finn Doherty

Well, they’re going to put all their resources toward highlighting that interview of yours and be like, “Everyone, please go watch the Sorcery episode.”

Molly O'Shea

Yes, but there’s also a media storm around it.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, yeah.

Molly O'Shea

And so this is why—

Paige Finn Doherty

And they’re like, “Oh, how do we cover it?” And it’s like, “Oh, Molly’s interview, according to Sourcery.”

Molly O'Shea

Exactly.

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s on the 3rd.

Molly O'Shea

And I’ll have all these different outlets put it out, but this is also my hot take: people who do exclusives or set a day for media exclusives around an announcement are shooting themselves in the foot. The internet does not—

Paige Finn Doherty

That is a hot take.

Molly O'Shea

—the internet doesn’t work like that.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You have to post as much as possible, to some extent, while obviously maintaining quality. There are so many different things going on at all times. Every day there’s another Anthropic or OpenAI kind of thing that breaks the internet, or a model release or whatever. Funding announcements don’t really stand out now. You have to give people a reason to care. Sometimes you have to brute-force your way into the world.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

People have obviously learned this on Twitter—or, sorry, X—and have gotten in trouble with it, or just don’t do it well because—

Paige Finn Doherty

Like the paid partnerships they send me—

Molly O'Shea

The paid partnerships, the spam posting—

Paige Finn Doherty

—guys.

Molly O'Shea

It all has to be authentic.

Paige Finn Doherty

Come on.

Molly O'Shea

Your team should be reposting it. Early on, I found that this announcement format worked really well because you time it well. It’s timely.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

It’s news. People pay attention. It’s novel; it’s something people haven’t seen before, and it’s important. People love numbers, excitement, and FOMO, too. FOMO plays a big part in this, especially for VCs.

Paige Finn Doherty

Shout out to that.

Molly O'Shea

That’s why people are reading the newsletter and watching what deals are going on, what they missed out on, who raised a round without letting them know.

Paige Finn Doherty

Who are writing in the anti-portfolio.

Molly O'Shea

Exactly.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

That’s a big part of it, and so we started timing things around these announcements. One of the best practices for funding announcements—

Paige Finn Doherty

Please share.

Molly O'Shea

You’ve heard it here—

Paige Finn Doherty

You’ve heard it here.

Molly O'Shea

Sure, if you want to pick an exclusive, like Bloomberg or whatever, do that, but don’t time out the rest of the media market.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

You’re really not doing yourself a service. You can get The Wall Street Journal; you can do all these things. Maybe get all of them, but make sure each one is distinctive in some way.

Paige Finn Doherty

Like a different story.

Molly O'Shea

They all write roughly the same thing, so whatever. But it does matter to have as many eyeballs on something as possible. With any sort of advertising, you won’t notice that billboard until you’ve seen it 20 times.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Maybe on your 50th time, you’ll actually notice it and read it, right? With news and announcements, your investors retweeted it, your co-founders did, maybe some friends did, and all that kind of stuff. Once you start seeing it a little more, it’s really important. I get super disappointed sometimes when people ask to do an interview.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, I know.

Molly O'Shea

People ask to do an interview, and they get really excited and ready. I put so much time and attention into this. Brett’s here, we have all this equipment, and we really go out of our way. I only have so many slots a month for interviews. They’re expensive and require editing, travel, all this kind of stuff. These mean a lot to me. This is my favorite thing. This is my job.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I love this. With the interview, I share all the files afterward and share the posts. I share the file beforehand, too, and say, “If there are any clips you want, let me know. We’ll make them. We’ll make sure it’s a really great package for you.” We obviously want it to benefit you and get as many people to see it as possible, right? That’s the goal.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Expand the reach, especially with the newsletter, which has investors, LPs, family offices, many high-net-worth individuals, operators, talent, people interested in tech, people looking for jobs, and all this kind of stuff. The one thing that upsets me is when the company doesn’t engage once we put it out.

Paige Finn Doherty

That’s tough.

Molly O'Shea

That happens, and it happens—

Paige Finn Doherty

That’s really frustrating.

Molly O'Shea

—when people request it. It happens with huge companies, too, including ones that I admire. We’ll strategize about where we’re doing it, coordinate the date and location, all this stuff, and then it’s like, you couldn’t even repost? Just a simple repost or a reply. That’s the one thing I don’t get. Some people, I get it, are finicky with their socials and just don’t do that. But if I’m going to try to change anything today, I’m going to try to change that.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Because you should absolutely support people as much as you can in your career and in their careers. I try to do that as much as possible, especially with these interviews, these new companies, these later companies, and people trying to show their new products. That’s the point. I’m not a journalist. I’m genuinely trying to support startups.

I love tech, and that’s kind of behind it.

Paige Finn Doherty

I love that. Well, thank you for sharing your frustration. I’m sorry that has happened to you. It’s very clear how much work you put into the researching, the scheduling, and the editing. I feel like the interview itself is, I don’t know, you should be spending an additional 90-plus percent on marketing that interview after the fact.

Molly O'Shea

That’s a really good point. Maybe 10% of the work goes into before the interview.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

90% is afterwards.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah. Okay, so we’re in the land of manifestation. We were talking about this before. You posted an image of your top 100 dream podcast guests. I have a question I’m really excited to ask, but I’m going to ask this first. How many of those have you interviewed so far? And I heard you might have a new list coming out.

Molly O'Shea

You did hear some things.

Paige Finn Doherty

I did hear some things. A little birdie.

Molly O'Shea

I had this idea last year. I’m constantly thinking of things and creating things. I was like, “Who do I want on? What do I do?” So I quickly made this list. At first it was the top 20, and then it was the top 35, and then it was 40, 50, 60, 80. All right, fuck it. Let’s go to 100.

Paige Finn Doherty

Let’s go to 100.

Molly O'Shea

It’s so hard because the initial process is short. I’m sure if I had more time, I would’ve thought of that person I’d been thinking of the whole time but forgot. But I put out this list, and it was awesome. I put it out around this time last year.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

It was probably in October, and people love lists.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, they love a list. And they’re like, “Wait, you forgot about this person. You forgot about that person.”

Molly O'Shea

Exactly.

Paige Finn Doherty

“Hey, @ person tagged, you should go on Molly’s podcast.”

Molly O'Shea

Exactly. What I’ve learned is people are super helpful and supportive.

Paige Finn Doherty

As long as they know what you need, they’re like, “I have a quest.”

Molly O'Shea

Exactly.

Paige Finn Doherty

“I’m ready for my quest.”

Molly O'Shea

If you put it in front of people—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—they will be like, “All right.” Or if they’re a VC, they’ll be like, “I can be helpful.” Some of them are VCs, so shout out to the VCs out there. I put out this list, the Sorcery Top 100, and immediately it caught fire. People loved it. They were looking at it, like, “Oh, Dylan Field’s a great call. Oh my God, yeah, Bill Ackman. Why is Elon on there twice?”

Paige Finn Doherty

Why is Elon on there twice?

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, so I also put Trey Stevens on there twice. That was unintentional, but I ended up interviewing Trey Stevens like three times after that, so maybe it did work.

Paige Finn Doherty

I feel like it was on purpose.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I got a lot of great reception. I’m pretty sure Robinhood’s team had reached out to me after that. A lot of people just wanted to help. Palantir’s team—well, it wasn’t their team, but it was my friend there.

Paige Finn Doherty

I’m so excited to talk about this.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. My friend there was like, “Yo, Molly, what the fuck? Where is Alex Karp on this list? You’re a huge fan. What are you doing? We’ve talked about this. You missed him.” And I’m like, “Oh, you’re right,” because—

Paige Finn Doherty

Totally.

Molly O'Shea

—when I started doing it, I was thinking about the Forbes Midas List, investors—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—and some of the founders and stuff. But I was like, “Oh, wow, I missed an entire personality.”

Paige Finn Doherty

But maybe the point is that if you leave an important name out, people are going to be like, “Of course this person should be on there,” and then it’s an even stronger draw.

Molly O'Shea

Exactly. So you’re correct, Paige, and that’s what happened. I got that text, and then I thought, “Maybe I need to revise this list.” So I made a revised list, and I added a 1B to Ivanka’s 1A, and the 1B was Alex Karp. My friend over at Palantir, Eliano, was like, “Dope. Great list. I’m going to send it over to Karp. We’ll see how this goes.”

Turns out it went well. Karp really liked the list. He was like, “This actually makes sense. I like the ordering. Put Palmer before Marc Andreessen.” And so he was like, “I think we could probably get him on. He’s interested. He thinks it looks good. He has no idea who you are. The list looks good.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

3. Landing Alex Karp

Molly O'Shea

Maybe three days later, I get the call. I don’t know where I was; I was probably recording somewhere in San Francisco. He’s like, “Look, I think we got the interview. Our earnings are coming out, and there’s this new biography written about Alex Karp, Philosopher in the Valley. I think you should interview him on that.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Like, timing it with an announcement.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah, with someone like Alex Karp, or anyone of that stature, you need a reason. You can’t just do an interview. There has to be some sort of novelty or uniqueness to it and a reason to do it. So that was the reason: let’s interview him on this biography. They’d send me a book beforehand, I’d read it, and then we’d get to it.

I think I read the book in two days. It was actually a phenomenal book, really interesting, and it was written by an author who was from The New York Times and wouldn’t necessarily be aligned with Alex Karp, Palantir, Peter Thiel, or that whole world. It gave a bit of a weighted, objective point of view. It goes into his childhood and upbringing, his mom being an artist, and up through getting his PhD, living in Germany, doing all this stuff, and then getting brought in by Palantir—sorry, by Peter Thiel—to lead Palantir. Palantir and Peter Thiel, same world. Anyway, it was a great book. I read it, and I had to be in New York to interview him in five days.

Paige Finn Doherty

Wow.

Molly O'Shea

It was a really quick turnaround. I didn’t know what I was going to wear, where it was going to be, or what was going to happen. I got to New York and received a call the day before. The Palantir team was going to provide the video service and production, and the crew was awesome. There was just one caveat.

Paige Finn Doherty

One “but.”

Molly O'Shea

It had to be a walking—

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, interesting.

Molly O'Shea

—a walking interview.

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay, so that was Palantir saying, “We gotta walk.”

Molly O'Shea

Yes. Alex Karp is not the best at sitting—

Paige Finn Doherty

If you’re listening and you haven’t seen it—

Molly O'Shea

—still. He’s a very energetic person. He just gets bubbled up with passion and excitement and everything, so he’s not great at sitting still.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah. Was that one of your first walking tours, then?

Molly O'Shea

What?

Paige Finn Doherty

Had you done a walking interview before?

Molly O'Shea

No, this was the first one.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, okay. So he kind of kicked off a walking tour series.

Molly O'Shea

It literally cascaded the whole—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—Sourcery lore and thing. A lot of credit to that interview. I can’t speak highly enough about the impact and the reach—

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay.

Molly O'Shea

—that that created.

Paige Finn Doherty

We gotta talk about the sword. What was going through your head as Alex Karp was swinging his sword around?

Molly O'Shea

That was totally unexpected.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, I would assume.

Molly O'Shea

Before the interview, he was also a totally normal guy.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Eliano was like, “Hey, he just wants to get to know you beforehand.” We chatted for 15, 20 minutes about who I am and what I’m doing, just so he knew, “Who the hell is this person?” I didn’t really exist in that capacity. Sourcery had just started, so we had a kind of catch-up chat beforehand, and then we just started.

Paige Finn Doherty

I think Eliano might have mentioned before the interview that he obviously does the dead hangs thing.

Molly O'Shea

Mm-hmm.

Paige Finn Doherty

There was one of those in the office, and he has these quirks. He’s a big personality, and he’s very much himself—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—which is great, right? He also has swords in his offices—

Molly O'Shea

As one does.

Paige Finn Doherty

—just as a guy, right?

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

They just like swords. He was like, “At the end, maybe I can find it and we can do a photo.” I was like, “Okay.” It’s so funny because you can watch the video, and toward the end of the interview, you can see Eliano running behind us with the sword, trying to get us to be ready. We’re ending the interview, and I thought we were just going to take a picture.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Their video crew was thankfully videotaping this—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—because their video is out, right? He’s wearing a ski outfit, and I’m wearing a dress. I’m ready to go for—

Molly O'Shea

It’s such a good contrast.

Paige Finn Doherty

—a public company CEO interview, right? I’m in a dress and heels, trying to look very professional and all that kind of stuff.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

He’s in his ski outfit. It’s a little bit casual. He has a sword, and I thought we were going to take a picture, and then he starts—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—using his skills. You can see my eyes. I’m like, “What’s going on?” The funny part is, Eliano was 6 feet in front of him, so when he’s doing this, Eliano’s like—

Molly O'Shea

Right.

Paige Finn Doherty

“What is going on?” And all of us are like, “This is not—”

Molly O'Shea

Ah.

Paige Finn Doherty

No one thought that was going to happen.

Molly O'Shea

Wow.

Paige Finn Doherty

And it became a meme—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—without that, like, really—

Molly O'Shea

But, yeah, you got, like, 4.3—

Paige Finn Doherty

4 point—

Molly O'Shea

—million.

Paige Finn Doherty

I think that clip—okay, so the interview itself shot out of nowhere. It seriously went totally viral—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—because of this. It was the first time I’d gotten viral hits for a million views, 2 million, all that kind of stuff, but this was escape velocity. This took—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—over the internet for 2 whole days. Maybe 3. Crazy. Almost a whole week. Let’s round up. So—

Molly O'Shea

It was a whole week.

Paige Finn Doherty

It was a month.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

And so—

Molly O'Shea

Mm.

Paige Finn Doherty

—the actual interview got 4 million, 4.5 million views on X. It’s pinned to my profile because it’s the most—

Molly O'Shea

It’s iconic.

Paige Finn Doherty

—it’s the most defining thing of, “Oh, it’s that girl,” right?

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

People always know me, and every interview I start—

Molly O'Shea

The sword girl.

Paige Finn Doherty

—they’re like, “I have a sword. Should we…?” And I’m like, “Yeah, it’s okay. But if you want, please.”

Molly O'Shea

I bet you’re going to inadvertently have a sword collection because people will give them to you—

Paige Finn Doherty

I have—

Molly O'Shea

—as gifts.

Paige Finn Doherty

Zero at the moment.

Molly O'Shea

Okay.

Paige Finn Doherty

But we’ll see.

Molly O'Shea

If you’re listening.

Paige Finn Doherty

That one clip just took off and became a meme. I think that one has 4.3, whatever, over 4 million views. But that video and that presence alone have easily had 50 million-plus views in that amount of time. It had completely gone all over the internet. We’d seen it all over the place. Someone used it in their trailer for whatever. It’s just an iconic Silicon Valley moment.

Molly O'Shea

It’s incredible.

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s crazy. So, yeah, that was awesome.

Molly O'Shea

Wait, I love that. I’m trying to think about how to pose this question. This is funny. I was watching the clip of Jack Altman. I should have texted him before this to ask him a question for you. That was your first time discovering that Jack and Sam Altman were brothers?

Paige Finn Doherty

Was it—

Molly O'Shea

Was it? Oh my God. Was it a bet?

Paige Finn Doherty

Bitch.

Molly O'Shea

Was it a bet?

Paige Finn Doherty

We will leave that one unanswered.

Molly O'Shea

Oh my—

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s a bet.

Molly O'Shea

So—

Paige Finn Doherty

Maybe.

Molly O'Shea

Okay—

Paige Finn Doherty

For context, I interviewed Jack Altman, and this was another thing that ended up becoming a meme and going viral. I interviewed Jack Altman about his podcast, Uncapped, which is phenomenal.

Molly O'Shea

Such big guys.

Paige Finn Doherty

It has incredible guests—

Molly O'Shea

It is great.

Paige Finn Doherty

It was one of the first major breaks on X for this category, too. I wanted to interview him on it as well. That was the basis of the interview. This ended up becoming a meme, but one of the guests he interviewed, I asked him, “So you recently interviewed Sam Altman.”

Molly O'Shea

Mm-hmm.

Paige Finn Doherty

“Were you nervous?” And he goes, “No.”

Molly O'Shea

“Why would I be nervous?”

Paige Finn Doherty

“Why would I be nervous?” I’m like, “I don’t know.” He goes, “That’s my brother.” I go, “Jack Altman and Sam Altman? You’re brothers?” And he’s like, “Yeah.” I was like, “So you’ve known each other for a long time?” And he’s like, “Yes. Please keep this in. Keep this in. This is great. Don’t cut this out of the podcast.”

Molly O'Shea

It was iconic. I really… That was one of my favorite moments.

Paige Finn Doherty

The whole thing is, I have a very large sense of humor.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

All day, if I’m not working, I’m watching funny clips and laughing to myself.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

You can ask people.

Molly O'Shea

Who are some of your favorite comedians? Do you have favorite comedians?

Paige Finn Doherty

I love Will Ferrell.

Molly O'Shea

Oh, okay.

Paige Finn Doherty

I love Will Ferrell. He’s amazing.

Molly O'Shea

Is there going to be a—

Paige Finn Doherty

He’s on my list.

Molly O'Shea

—he’s on your list.

Paige Finn Doherty

So, Will Ferrell, please.

Molly O'Shea

Will Ferrell.

Paige Finn Doherty

I would like to interview you.

Molly O'Shea

When it happens, we’re going to roll the tape back and be like—

Paige Finn Doherty

I might have to do one with Zach Galifianakis. I can’t even say his name.

Molly O'Shea

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Between… Well, you gotta get the ferns, right?

Paige Finn Doherty

Between Two Ferns.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

I mean, this is not a fern, but we got a hedge here.

Molly O'Shea

We got a hedge.

Paige Finn Doherty

And some grass.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah. I like that. Hey, you do have a great sense of humor.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah. I have a dry sense of humor, and this was even a problem when I worked at different funds. I would deliver things with a straight face, so I’ve been working on the whole smiling thing. I’ve been getting better at it.

Molly O'Shea

It’s—

Paige Finn Doherty

My whole life, people have said, “Why aren’t you smiling? You should smile more.” The whole thing is, “Girls should smile.” I just wouldn’t smile. I just wasn’t a smiler, and now I’m getting better at smiling. Now I’m getting wrinkles from it, which sucks. I delivered that with great poise, and no one knows—

Molly O'Shea

It was incredible.

Paige Finn Doherty

—still to this day.

Molly O'Shea

Still to this day. It’s a mystery. Wait, speaking of mystery, do you have an upcoming list coming out?

Paige Finn Doherty

I do have a list coming out, and I could show it to you beforehand, or whenever this comes out. Hopefully this comes out in time, because I want to put the list out this Friday or as soon as possible, maybe even tomorrow.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s hard to compete with the Anthropic S1 that just dropped today, the same day as another episode I put out, which kind of sucks, but we’ll make sure it goes well. I want to get that list out as fast as possible because it’s been the most helpful resource to me. You asked how many of the people I’ve interviewed, and I’ve interviewed probably over 20% of it.

Molly O'Shea

Wow.

Paige Finn Doherty

I put out this—

Molly O'Shea

That’s really incredible.

Paige Finn Doherty

I was like—

Molly O'Shea

Those are dream—

Paige Finn Doherty

Dream—

Molly O'Shea

—guests.

Paige Finn Doherty

—a list of the top 100 people, also the hardest-to-reach, powerful people in technology and finance, and I got 20%. That’s crazy.

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

And I had just gone full-time—

Molly O'Shea

And under—yeah, you’re—

Paige Finn Doherty

—on it in, like, a month of—

Molly O'Shea

Yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

—pushing that out there.

Molly O'Shea

It’s incredible.

Paige Finn Doherty

So it’s great. I definitely want to make this an annual thing, even for that one—

Molly O'Shea

I had taken off some of the people I had on it, because 100 people gets short really quick. Even with this one, I was like, “Damn, am I gonna have to make it 150?” But you just gotta—

Paige Finn Doherty

It’s—

Molly O'Shea

It’s all about—

Paige Finn Doherty

—next year.

Molly O'Shea

—cutting it down—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—reducing, making it concise. So we’ll have that out soon.

Paige Finn Doherty

Hmm. I’m really excited for that. So do you exclusively choose your own guests, or do people pitch you? What’s the breakdown?

4. Choosing The Right Guests

Molly O'Shea

Good question. This is an art and a science. It’s incredibly difficult. You asked me before, “Will I start a fund? Will I do all this other stuff?” I still need to perfect this. The podcast and everything—we do really great numbers. We do hundreds of millions of impressions a year and views.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Hundreds and hundreds of millions. We have so much reach. We’ve become a name—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—and it’s a thing.

Paige Finn Doherty

You are one of tech’s top podcasters.

Molly O'Shea

Yes, I am.

Paige Finn Doherty

I’m so happy to be sitting here interviewing you.

Molly O'Shea

Because of that, to me, it’s still not there yet.

Paige Finn Doherty

Job’s not done.

Molly O'Shea

Job’s not— I don’t know if I can say that, because it’s a competitor thing, but—

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh.

Molly O'Shea

—job’s not done yet. You’re right.

Paige Finn Doherty

Okay.

Molly O'Shea

We could say it. It’s fine. My “Am I staying focused?” question comes down to this: when I’m looking at interviews, scheduling them, and rearranging them, I have to rearrange things every week.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh yeah, I bet.

Molly O'Shea

It’s really hard.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I feel bad, because sometimes it’s people I’m close with or friends I know, and I’m like, “Fuck, I have to suddenly go across the country or go to Europe.” I’ll do this at the drop of a hat, and that’s why I keep on winning.

Paige Finn Doherty

Getting inter—yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Because I take it so seriously and hustle my ass off to make sure I’m getting the top 100 and prioritizing myself at the end of the day.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

I get distractions every week. I’m not saying these are bad or anything, but there are phenomenal companies and announcements that I have to say no to. Sometimes those will perform better on a metrics basis, because they’re in that media storm of—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—an announcement and all that. It’ll get attention; you’re guaranteed that. But for building the brand and the archive of people I’ve interviewed, I just have to be maniacally focused on that.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Otherwise, I just won’t be operating cleanly and true to myself. If I keep honing in, filtering, and refining, it’ll only make it better in the long term. I could easily do announcements all day, every day, and be completely full and busy, but the goal isn’t to be busy and full. It’s to be intentional—

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

—and to craft a story from all these different points of view and from some of the biggest names. Last week, I interviewed Jenny Johnson, CEO of Franklin Templeton. She’s been on my list for a while. She’s a killer, and she was so fun to interview. She was awesome. She said, “I just got back from Uzbekistan.” I was like, “What?” She said, “I’m not thinking that clearly today.” I was like, “Are you kidding?” We were talking with her team, and her off is like anybody else’s on.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

She was pulling references from crazy places, and she’s a student of history. She’s such an interesting mind. I always have to remind myself to gear back towards the focus.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

Don’t get distracted. I don’t need to start a fund right now. I don’t need to be a scout; I’m way past that. I don’t need to be an advisor or any of those things. People have asked me to join the boards of public companies.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

And I’m like, “No.” It causes a conflict with what I’m doing today, which has been the best job I’ve ever had and the job I want to have for as long as possible. I need to stay focused.

Paige Finn Doherty

I love that. I feel like your continued relentlessness, focus, and creativity are really inspiring. I’m excited to see what you do over the next decade and beyond.

Molly O'Shea

Thanks.

Paige Finn Doherty

How are you thinking about your vision for Sorcery and what success looks like for you?

Molly O'Shea

That’s a good question. The quick answer is obviously to get the Sorcery 100 of the year or whatever. Here it is, right? And push myself there. I try to use as much research as possible for every interview, and I try to refine my skills as an interviewer.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

Refine my skills as a freaking walking-tour interviewer.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

That was a 180. It was hard. For the Alex Karp one, people who’ve been in the media industry for years, their whole lives, were like, “You didn’t have an earpiece in? You didn’t have note cards? How did you do that? You were rolling the whole time?”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah, that’s pretty wild.

Molly O'Shea

It’s because I have a good memory.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

If I stay focused on one thing, I can easily get ADD if I want to, but when I’m focused, it’s usually tunnel vision when I go into interviews. Charlotte, who’s head of special ops, came to a couple of my interviews. She was like, “Holy shit. Once you start, you’re just locked in.”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

There are lots of cameras and lights. It’s the same with getting on stage. The first time I was really on stage in a crazy capacity was at the Citadel Securities Conference last year.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

I had interviewed two of Sorcery’s partners at the time, the co-founders of Calci, and I was so nervous for that. I think it was at 10:00 or 11:00 a.m. I had to take a shot. I really don’t even drink ever. I’m embarrassed to say that, but I was freaking out.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

I had to call someone for support and have them talk me down, but I was so nervous. After that, I realized I was just doing the same exact thing. At the end of the day, I’m just asking questions and listening.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

That’s it. I really got over that. It doesn’t make me nervous. I don’t care. I love it now. If someone calls me up and wants me to moderate something on stage, let’s go. I’m ready to go. It’s cool to reach new audiences, try that out, refine that skill, and get better at it. It’s about making the podcast better, making my skills better, capturing the best stories, and making sure I can increase the audience in intentional ways by delivering the best information.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

I make sure data is incorporated in everything. I’m an investor at the end of the day. I’ve spent my whole career doing research, diligence, data, market maps, insights, and collecting all these nodes of information to understand how a business is growing and working. Does it actually have longevity? Is there a durable underlying model to it, or is it going to zoink out once there are 10 other market competitors, or go to zero?

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Those are really the things at the end of the day. The whole walking-tour thing is so important. That type of content alone is 10, maybe 100 to 1,000 times more dynamic and visually interesting, and it performs incredibly well on YouTube. If you check out the YouTube channel—

Paige Finn Doherty

Wait, do you—

Molly O'Shea

—I’ve categorized the different types of interviews I do.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

There are factory tours and HQ tours, the walking portions of these interviews. Then I have investor interviews.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm-hmm.

Molly O'Shea

And then I have tech interviews. The walking interviews, the walk-and-talks—or I went to Bending Spoons and they called it a “walkie-talkie,” which I thought was cute, so I have to use that now.

Paige Finn Doherty

So cute.

Molly O'Shea

The walkie-talkies get hundreds and hundreds of thousands of views. It’s a really great format for YouTube—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—because you’re changing your environment a lot.

Paige Finn Doherty

Mm.

Molly O'Shea

And especially for people on YouTube, they love tools. They love factories. They love how things are made. That’s just the inherent nature of that kind of platform.

Paige Finn Doherty

Dang. Should we be walking during this?

Molly O'Shea

No, it’s fine. I actually can’t really think very well when I walk, so it’s hard. I don’t think I would be speaking this clearly if we were doing that. That’s why it’s hard with some of these investor types or public company CEOs. For some of them—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—it’s just not an easy format to do.

Paige Finn Doherty

Hmm.

Molly O'Shea

But, you know, the Figure AI, like Figure robot company—

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—like that—

Paige Finn Doherty

Those are, like, limited.

Molly O'Shea

—walk-and-talks. Every day I get comments about it on YouTube. It’s still growing, and that one will probably hit a million views pretty soon on YouTube. YouTube’s really hard to hit a million views. It’s different for every platform. On X, there are so many social network factors.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You’re much more likely to get it on X. Instagram—I’m not an Instagram girly, but I’m getting better at it. I don’t know how it works, so I’ll leave it to the Instagram professionals. On LinkedIn, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything—

Paige Finn Doherty

Anything hit a million?

Molly O'Shea

—anything hit a million views, except I interviewed this investor from Mayfield, Navin Chaddha, and he regularly gets millions of views. He’s an influencer on LinkedIn.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Which is crazy. But yeah.

Paige Finn Doherty

Dang. Okay. Well, I think we’ve unfortunately hit the end of our time together today. I’ve so enjoyed this conversation. It’s very clear why you’re winning: you’re incredibly devoted to this craft, which is so inspiring. You’re sharing these amazing stories of founders and investors building incredibly impactful companies, and you’re building one yourself. I learned a lot today in our conversation. If you’re listening, I’d highly recommend following Molly on X and all of her social channels. We’ll link those in the show notes. Any last words?

Molly O'Shea

Yes. I want to turn it on you now.

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh, okay.

Molly O'Shea

Because I’m sure my audience—I’m going to cross-post this. I’m going to put it on my YouTube and in a newsletter and everything. But, Paige, you’re actually doing the thing.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

You have a fund yourself.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

So can you share with everyone, for my audience, about your fund, your top investments, and how you’ve grown it? You’re going to fund three now. What’s behind Genius?

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh my God. Maybe some background: This book here is a children’s book I wrote about venture capital. I published it when I was a year out of college. Similar to you, I had an experience—it was actually watching the show Silicon Valley—and something clicked. I was like, “Venture capital is what I’m meant to do. This is my calling, and I want to take it as seriously as possible.”

I didn’t have any network in venture. I grew up in San Diego, so I started posting on Twitter, now X, about what I was learning. That blossomed into building Behind Genius. The core of Behind Genius is backing founders I call technical storytellers. A great example is Zane Hangsberger from Knox Metals. He’s built an incredible presence as part of the reindustrialization movement, and it’s had a huge impact on their business: how many customer orders they get and how much inbound investor interest he gets.

I’ve backed over 60 companies across three funds, and I’m incredibly excited about the future and continuing to tell impactful stories. That’s something I’m really interested in, too, and in inspiring and educating the next generation of investors and founders.

Molly O'Shea

And so we have some factory tours coming up?

Paige Finn Doherty

Yes, we have factory tours coming up. I was sharing with you before the show that I was just out in Detroit doing a factory tour at Knox Metals, at their new 75,000-square-foot facility. It’s so funny—you were talking about how walking tours can be harder for some people, and I was like, “Oh, I actually really liked it,” because I could say, “Here’s the thing. Can you talk about this block of metal or this saw?”

I love that format. I’m looking forward to doing more of them.

Molly O'Shea

For me, I’m used to sitting in one spot, being stationary, and just talking about topics. When you’re walking around things, it’s like, “Oh, wait, I have to talk about…” I’m coming from a different perspective, where I’m thinking, “Wait, we should talk about—”

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

—you know—

Paige Finn Doherty

It is so funny, because we were talking about it earlier. I focus a lot on being in my body and embodiment, and I feel like that brings a real concreteness. I was on a walk with one of my LPs, and we were talking about something else when I said, “Oh my God, look at that leaf. What a beautiful leaf.” To this day, she always talks about the fact that I looked at the leaf during our walk. Anyway, I’m excited.

Molly O'Shea

Is there anything—we talked about me manifesting things—is there anything—

Paige Finn Doherty

Oh.

Molly O'Shea

—you’re manifesting for the next 12 months?

Paige Finn Doherty

This is my 100th episode of Seed to Harvest, which is such a special milestone. I’m excited to go harder on video storytelling for Seed to Harvest and have some incredible guests. Maybe even put out a top 100.

Molly O'Shea

You should.

Paige Finn Doherty

But yeah: health, monumental abundance, and good times with family and friends.

Molly O'Shea

All the good things.

Paige Finn Doherty

Yeah.

Molly O'Shea

Very grounded.

Paige Finn Doherty

Very, yeah. Very grounded.

Molly O'Shea

Well, cool. Thank you so much for coming and doing this with me. I really appreciate it.

Paige Finn Doherty

Molly, thank you so much for coming on Seed to Harvest. It’s been an honor. It’s been a pleasure.