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All-In · · 78 min

All-In x Kill Tony: A Hilarious Holiday Special

Tony HinchcliffeChamath PalihapitiyaJason CalacanisDavid SacksDavid Friedberg

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TL;DR
  • Kill Tony has turned open-mic randomness into a scaled media and talent-discovery flywheel. It secured an “unprecedented” four-special Netflix deal, ranked No. 2 among YouTube podcasts behind Joe Rogan, and sold out Madison Square Garden three times, while its bucket remains a democratic intake that Hollywood now monitors. Dedrick Flynn’s two-year wait and 39-week streak before becoming an instant regular is the model in miniature: “Anything can happen.”
  • Hinchcliffe’s “12-year overnight success” is a founder story about endurance more than inspiration. He worked phones from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. and the Comedy Store door from 8 p.m. to 2:30 a.m., fell from a $400 couch to a $300 beanbag and then his car, yet says he never considered quitting because “these were my favorite times.” Losing the live audience during COVID forced remote sets and broken Zoom handoffs, but the show kept publishing.
  • Alphabet was the clearest large-cap winner for Friedberg and Chamath because distribution and product quality converged just as consensus expected search disruption. Friedberg cited market cap rising from $2 trillion to $4 trillion, cloud growth of 40%, YouTube as the world’s No. 1 media company, and roughly “$10 billion of value every day.” He argued that integrating AI directly into Google.com reversed the narrative from ChatGPT killing Google to Google threatening ChatGPT; Chamath also credited Sergey Brin’s return and renewed risk-taking.
  • The AI trade broadened from software to chips, construction labor, and embodied machines. Sacks said data-center plumbers, electricians, drywall hangers, and concrete pourers saw wages rise 25%-30%, while Friedberg’s CEO pick Jensen Huang took Nvidia from $300 billion to $4.5 trillion in 36 months after “33 years in the making.” Chamath’s humanoid-robot forecast was that “everybody’s going to get their own C-3PO/Friedberg,” but that remains a forecast.
  • The business losers shared one pattern: valuable distribution or assets without management able to convert them. Jason called Apple’s best decade-scale achievement “a thin iPhone”; Friedberg said Warner Bros. Discovery’s M&A valuation at three times its trading level exposed chronic under-management; Jason said belief that college is worth its cost swung from +13 to -30 over a decade. Hinchcliffe extended the critique to risk-averse studios and said his own film is independently financed.
  • For creator businesses, policy risk now sits inside the distribution stack as much as in government. Hinchcliffe contrasted Netflix’s “do whatever you want” posture with YouTube rules that change weekly, sometimes demonetizing the launch window or imposing conversion-killing age gates. Friedberg cited 3,000-plus UK malicious-communications arrests, 84,000 German politically motivated communications crimes, and 6,000 French speech-based hate crimes, while noting California’s SB771 reached Gavin Newsom before he vetoed it.
  • The panel’s smaller calls favored durable franchises and policy normalization over fashionable novelty. Hinchcliffe said TKO was the only stock he personally instructed his golf buddy to buy, based on Dana White’s showmanship and WWE’s growth, and described it as a “wild success”; Sacks said crypto moved from a “war” and fear of jail to legislation and “a fair shake.” Friedberg’s Bennu breakthrough was less immediately tradeable but more profound: a 4.5-billion-year-old asteroid carried nucleic acids, amino acids, sugars, and glucose.
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1. The roast made irreverence the night’s core product

  • Hinchcliffe opened by puncturing the room’s self-image: San Francisco faces visible hardship while guests “paid 500 bucks to watch billionaires talk to each other,” and the four hosts’ combined net worth exceeds $3 billion. His final compliment—that All-In promotes discourse across technology, culture, and politics—landed because nobody, including the absent Chamath Palihapitiya, had been protected from the preceding roast.

  • The hosts then entered Kill Tony’s one-minute format themselves. Jason Calacanis leaned on interruptions, weight loss, and name-dropping—“I just got a text from Elon; he says that’s not true”—but Hinchcliffe caught him repeatedly turning toward the panel to check whether jokes landed instead of holding the audience.

  • David Sacks delivered the standout set, including “SPAC now stands for seriously pissed at Chamath,” and was declared a new “golden ticket winner.” David Friedberg’s set included “I study black holes while Chamath invests in them”; Friedberg later admitted his cadence was off and needed “one or two more rounds.”

2. Kill Tony began as a contrarian bet on unfiltered failure

  • Hinchcliffe traced the format to hosting Comedy Store open mics with 40 comedians performing three minutes each. He would roast every set, then privately suggest practical fixes—take a breath, use pauses, change speed, or move the microphone closer—while realizing that the funniest material was often what comedians whispered to one another from the back.

  • When everyone told him to start a podcast, Hinchcliffe proposed exposing that chaotic open-mic process. Co-host Brian Redban’s reaction captured the contrarian premise: “Who the fuck is going to want to watch an open mic?” Hinchcliffe’s answer was essentially everybody, provided the private commentary, public risk, and occasional coaching were all visible.

  • The founder mythology is unusually concrete: phone work from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m., Comedy Store duties from 8 p.m. until 2:30 a.m., and insufficient income even for $400 monthly rent. He was downgraded to a $300 beanbag, then slept in his car behind the club, relying on maintenance worker Juan Carlos to delay noisy repairs so he could rest.

  • Eighteen and a half years after the rent period, Hinchcliffe sent a former roommate $1,000 with the caption “Rent money 2007.” Asked whether he had contemplated quitting, he rejected the premise: “These were my favorite times.” From his Austin terrace, he still thinks about the struggle, while every MSG show gives him another version of “I made it.”

3. Pandemic damage and Austin’s ecosystem strengthened the franchise

  • Hinchcliffe called Austin, without qualification, the best comedy city. He rejected claims that its performers are merely “edgelords”: they are the same Comedy Store comics who occupied the middle of Los Angeles lineups and can still perform at clubs in New York or L.A.; Austin is simply where they now live.

  • He attributed his move to what he viewed as California’s mishandling of COVID and its treatment of police during the George Floyd unrest. Hinchcliffe listed an Austin cluster spanning Joe Rogan, Shane Gillis, Matt McCusker, Tom Segura, Elon Musk, and Tim Ferriss, while noting that about 300 visitors sometimes line the street merely to see where Kill Tony happens.

  • COVID attacked Kill Tony’s defining asset—the live crowd—just as other podcasts boomed. The team kept going with submitted one-minute videos followed by Zoom interviews, enduring silence, poor Wi-Fi, and failed transitions before eventually seating spectators outdoors six feet apart. Hinchcliffe’s account was less about elegant adaptation than refusing to stop when the substitute product was “absolutely terrible.”

  • International expansion proved less automatic. Hinchcliffe called the June European show the worst Kill Tony in the show’s history, citing weak performers and London’s “never-ending gloom,” and said the show probably would not return without something like Buckingham Palace. His comic exaggeration nevertheless exposed the format’s dependence on local talent density and audience atmosphere.

4. Distribution policy can erase a creator’s launch window

  • The hosts challenged Hinchcliffe over his Trump-rally appearance at Madison Square Garden, which they joked nearly burned down the campaign. He said MSG’s atmosphere and the chance to move younger or undecided voters motivated him. Asked about the fallout, he answered “Fake news” and mentioned a 20% Puerto Rican increase in Pennsylvania before defending his equal-opportunity roast style.

  • His broader complaint was decontextualization: journalists treated the routine as partisan speech without checking his diverse cast or 13 Comedy Central roasts. Hinchcliffe’s interpretation was that viewers with “a sense of humor” saw which political party tolerated jokes.

  • Platform economics posed the more immediate operational risk. Hinchcliffe contrasted Ted Sarandos and Netflix saying, “Do whatever you want. Go as hard as you want,” with YouTube changing permissible-word rankings without warning. Creators discover the change only when an episode is demonetized after 90 minutes or age-restricted during the exact period when the largest audience arrives.

  • Friedberg connected those private rules to public speech controls, citing more than 3,000 UK malicious-communications arrests, 84,000 politically motivated communications crimes in Germany, and 6,000 speech-defined hate crimes in France. California’s SB771 advanced through the legislature before Newsom vetoed it; a host also cited the EU’s €120 million fine against Musk as evidence that Europe “never got the memo.”

5. The bucket has become an open talent market watched by Hollywood

  • Scale now validates the original product design: three Kill Tony sellouts at Madison Square Garden, another MSG sellout for Hinchcliffe’s stand-up, a four-special Netflix deal, and a year-end No. 2 YouTube podcast ranking behind Rogan. The hosts called the archive timeless, but said live attendance is the gateway because the room can feel “the opportunity of failure.”

  • Dedrick Flynn supplied the sharpest specimen. He put his name in the bucket for two years and then did 39 consecutive weeks after moving to Austin, preparing to stop when he was finally selected. His minute and interview were strong enough for Hinchcliffe to skip the golden-ticket stage and make him an appointed regular—a decision the show makes perhaps once every two years.

  • Within four weeks, Flynn was performing a rap about already being rich. Hinchcliffe said Howie Mandel and the broader industry watch episodes for prospective bookings, including America’s Got Talent, yet he does not take a piece of performers’ opportunities. Jason immediately proposed securing options for annual specials, raising the question of how much discovery value the platform should retain.

6. Alphabet won by combining incumbent distribution with renewed risk-taking

  • Friedberg’s business winner was Alphabet, which he described as moving from a $2 trillion to $4 trillion market cap while adding about “$10 billion of value every day.” His operating case combined 40% cloud growth, YouTube’s position as the world’s leading media company, an AI pivot, and renewed growth in the search franchise that investors had expected to decline.

  • Jason emphasized the reversal in expectations: a year earlier, consensus thought ChatGPT would kill Google; now the discussion is whether Google might kill ChatGPT. Friedberg supplied the mechanism—build a competitive AI product, then install it inside Google.com, “the biggest consumer product in the world.” Chamath added that Sergey Brin’s full-time return gave Google permission to take more product risk.

  • Sacks chose the physical labor surrounding data centers. He said wages for plumbers, electricians, drywall hangers, and concrete pourers were up 25%-30%, with Jason relaying a report that master electricians could earn $500,000. His point was that AI’s benefits were no longer confined to technology companies or equity holders.

  • Hinchcliffe nominated Kill Tony itself: the Netflix package, YouTube ranking, and conversion of live attendees into habitual viewers. The selection was self-interested but coherent—the franchise now spans events, stand-up, streaming specials, talent discovery, and a back catalogue consumed nightly.

7. Apple, Warner Bros. Discovery, and universities squandered embedded advantages

  • Jason’s biggest business loser was universities. He cited a decade-long swing in the margin of Americans who believe college is worth its cost, from +13 to -30. His Disgracia was Stanford, where he said 50% of students now identify as disabled to receive testing accommodations, reflecting a system of diluted grades and increasingly gameable privileges.

  • Friedberg chose Warner Bros. Discovery because an M&A deal valued the company at three times the level where it had traded. To him, that gap proved the content was worth far more than management extracted. Jason had sold his position to offset gains elsewhere and admitted missing the eventual outcome: “It was a rare miss for me.”

  • Jason’s loser was Apple: unlimited capital, unlimited distribution, and—in his telling—a decade whose most impressive hardware achievement was “a thin iPhone.” When a streaming series, Pluribus, may be the company’s best recent output, he argued, the opportunity cost of its AI and product position becomes the story.

  • Hinchcliffe chose major movie studios, saying they still virtue-signal and avoid risk despite The Hangover—which he placed around 2006. Jason added that the franchise made a billion dollars. Hinchcliffe’s response is an independently financed film arranged with his UTA team; Kingpin, rather than a predictable modern reference, is his model for sustained comic edge.

8. The breakthrough slate mixed deep science with durable flywheels

  • Friedberg’s science breakthrough came from asteroid Bennu. A NASA probe collected material in 2020 and returned in 2023; findings announced two days before the event included nucleic acids, amino acids, sugars, and glucose. Because the 4.5-billion-year-old asteroid contains “all the components of life,” Jason argued that the discovery shows life is not necessarily unique to Earth.

  • Chamath selected progress across “three or four” humanoid robots and predicted that everyone would eventually have a “C-3PO/Friedberg.” Sacks chose Starlink on commercial flights because usable airborne internet changes the experience—an answer immediately undercut for comedy when he admitted he had not flown commercially since 2012.

  • Jensen Huang was the consensus CEO pick. Chamath described Nvidia’s 33-year flywheel culminating in a rise from $300 billion to $4.5 trillion in 36 months, or roughly “a hundred billion every month for three years straight.” When asked for a different choice, Chamath named Alex Karp after Palantir’s strong year and a summit appearance where, in his phrase, Karp “out-Tuckered Tucker.”

  • Hinchcliffe’s only personal stock instruction was TKO, based on Dana White’s ability to stage UFC events and the continued growth of WWE under Nick Khan and Paul Levesque. The self-described “Italian poor kid” who preferred cash in a shoebox said the holding produced “wild success”—and, unlike Jason’s Warner position, he held it.

9. Policy normalization won, while the political diagnoses diverged

  • Sacks chose crypto as a political winner: one year earlier the industry faced a “war on crypto” and feared jail; now legislation and a government framework offered “a fair shake.” Hinchcliffe ultimately named Sacks himself for helping create a crypto framework and protect U.S. competitiveness in AI, “the most important race of our lifetime.”

  • The remaining winners exposed the coalition’s contradictions. Jason named the Democratic Socialists of America; Hinchcliffe had considered both the socialism associated with Zohran Mamdani and the burgeoning America First movement; he ultimately defended telling pro-Trump jokes because nearly every other comedian attacks the same target.

  • Their losers diverged just as sharply. Sacks called Europe “a civilization in decline” economically, geopolitically, socially, and culturally. Friedberg chose the Founding Fathers; Chamath explained that voters increasingly accept government control over income and daily life. Jason chose Stephen Miller’s “performative cruelty,” while Hinchcliffe chose Gavin Newsom despite praising his SB771 veto.

  • In the closing remarks, a host called comedians “flag bearers” for free speech even when audiences reject their words. Jason called Hinchcliffe’s San Francisco attack a heel turn, another host said the crowd had been with him until then, and Hinchcliffe partially walked it back. The exchange underscored the night’s emphasis on pushing limits.

Speaker 1

Honestly, I think this is the most fun Christmas party we've ever had.

David Sacks

Ever. And probably the most fun event we've ever had is because Tony is here.

Jason Calacanis

Please welcome the one, the only, Tony Hinchcliffe.

Tony Hinchcliffe

What the fuck is up, you goddamn nerds?

Jason Calacanis

Tony, any chance we could play Kill Tony tonight?

Tony Hinchcliffe

You guys want to play Kill Tony here?

So, are you guys prepared for this? You know how it works?

David Sacks

We know how it works. I don't know if we're prepared.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I wasn't expecting to have to do this tonight, but I think I just found a new Golden Ticket winner.

Jason Calacanis

Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for your besties.

David Sacks

David, Jason, welcome everybody to the second annual All-In holiday party. Yes, thank you for coming. This is going to be an incredible lineup. We've got so many great moments for you tonight. Unfortunately, Chamath couldn't make it tonight.

Jason Calacanis

I know. I know. It's hard. It's hard. But we have a pretty great replacement that you're going to love. Friedberg, tell them what's coming.

David Friedberg

Hold on. Let me get my script.

Jason Calacanis

Wow. Professional. Do the sponsor shout-out.

David Sacks

Tonight, we are going to have the legendary Bestie Awards.

Jason Calacanis

We have some roasting, and we're all going to play Kill Tony.

Tony Hinchcliffe

What?

David Sacks

We're going to play Kill Tony.

Jason Calacanis

We are going to play Kill Tony.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, thanks for letting us know.

David Sacks

How many here are big fans of Kill Tony? Oh, that's incredible. Well, then let's just bring out the one, Chamath's replacement. Chamath's permanent replacement on the program. The three of us voted him off the island. Please welcome the one, the only, Tony Hinchcliffe.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, my God, look at this star power. Fuck yeah. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

What the fuck is up, you goddamn nerds? How about a hand for the All-In podcast Christmas party? We're here in San Francisco. Make some noise. You guys live here in San Francisco? What a shit hole.

It's actually worse than a shit hole. You could actually use a shit hole here to put the shit into that's on the streets. A shit hole would be an actual upgrade. It used to be so beautiful here. You guys remember the intro to Full House? That house is still full because 23 Somalis live in it now.

Put your phones away, you fucks. You can watch this in video form later, you fucking dorks. Everybody wants their own exclusive. I'm going to make it tonight. My YouTube channel is going to get extra hits.

California has more homeless people than any other state. People are struggling, and you fucking paid 500 bucks to watch billionaires talk to each other. God bless America.

Look, billionaires don't have it easy. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a billionaire to pretend that they like their kids?

I had to research these guys, and it was the most exhausting thing I've ever done. Absolute dorks. But then I watched Mountainhead on the plane, and then The Big Bang Theory, Succession, and Brokeback Mountain, and I think I figured it out.

As many of you know, these gentlemen started the All-In podcast at the beginning of the COVID pandemic. It saw massive success very quickly, which makes sense. People were isolated and looking for relatable content. And what's more relatable than 4 venture capitalists playing high-stakes poker?

Their combined net worth of the four hosts is over $3 billion. You guys realize you don't have to do a podcast, right?

Jason Calacanis

Jason does.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Whenever anyone is asked what they would do if they had $1 billion, I've never heard the answer, “Attend weekly Zoom calls.”

I do love the current landscape of podcasts, though. How is my show even considered to be on the same playing field as what you guys do? It's crazy, right? You can listen to 4 experts educated in economics and technology, and within seconds you can switch over to my show and listen to an Elon Musk impersonator roasting an aspiring comedian with cerebral palsy.

These guys are all actual friends with Elon Musk. They told me that backstage, and then they told me their names.

Our friend Elon, of course, got some criticism from the left at the beginning of this year when he was accused of doing a Nazi salute. He said he didn't do a Nazi salute, but that it was a Roman salute. He could have just said it was an awkward wave, and people would have accepted that.

I don't know if “Roman salute” is the best alternative. He went with the group behind the Nazis—the Romans, who killed the most Jews, including Jesus himself. That's like being accused of visiting Epstein's Island and having an alibi that you were touring Thailand with Bill Gates.

Can you guys tell Elon to use his rockets for something positive, like immigration? Do you have any idea how fast you can get illegal immigrants back to where they came from on a fucking rocket? I looked into this. It's 26 seconds from here to Tijuana, Mexico.

It's simple. You take the rocket, fill it with illegal immigrants, blast that fucker up in the air, and let Elon do his fancy little parallel-parking thing that he likes to do. You empty out the illegal immigrants, fill it with avocados.

David Sacks

Yes, no tariffs on these avocados. These are the ideas.

Tony Hinchcliffe

There are some critics on the left who say the hosts of All-In are all too conservative, calling it an echo chamber. An echo chamber is also how Marjorie Taylor Greene's ex-husband refers to her cunt.

David Sacks

We may have to edit that one out.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Immigrant jokes are okay, but big dick jokes aren't? What kind of party are you running here?

But seriously, it is an honor to be here at the Christmas party. Remember, everyone, Santa is watching to see who's naughty or nice, and you don't want to end up on his naughty list. Then again, that would be the second-worst list JCal ended up on.

JCal's net worth is $60 million. So on this podcast, he's known as the broke-ass bitch. He was an early investor in Uber, and out of everyone up here, he's the closest one to having to be one of the drivers.

He refers to himself as the greatest podcast moderator in the world.

Jason Calacanis

These are the people cheering who have not seen my show.

Tony Hinchcliffe

If you get to call yourself the greatest podcast moderator in the world, then I get to say that I'm a virtue-signaling, angel-investor, liberal cuck. That's what you are.

Oh, my God. Fun fact: Candace Owens thinks that the leader of France's wife has a bigger dick than JCal.

His AngelList flex is the startup equivalent of that guy who won't stop talking about his high school football championship. Oh, okay, lost you on the AngelList joke. All right, that's surprising. Puerto Rico. Very good, sir. Thank you. We're trying to forget about that.

JCal and I don't have much in common. I'm a centrist, slightly right-leaning person, and he's a full-on liberal. The only thing we have in common is that liberals don't like us.

Chamath couldn't make it, which is completely disappointing. And I'm still—if it's all right with you guys—going to do my Chamath jokes.

Yes, I might do a couple of extra ones that I thought were too mean. Now that he's not here, I had to show up for this thing. He works hard. $1.5 billion. He works hard 24/7/11.

He bought into the Golden State Warriors because he heard they had Curry over there.

How do these nerds like sports jokes more than AngelList jokes? This doesn't even make any sense. He's got vindaloo. Indian food jokes, anyone? He's got a lot of bread. It's a non-issue.

Okay, here we go. He's the best poker player out of the bunch. He has the most patience because he looks like a doctor.

Somebody told me that Chamath has a very hot wife. I wonder what she sees in him. Perhaps the hairy feet.

Okay, Chamath at one point was a senior executive at Facebook, where he spearheaded several projects like Facebook Phone, Facebook Home, and Facebook Beacon. If none of those ring a bell, it's because they were all completely scrapped by Facebook. Hell of a résumé.

Chamath, did you also pitch the logo ideas to Cracker Barrel?

How about a hand for David Sacks?

I am a huge fan of yours. I just think you're truly so cool. For a genius like you to take a break from wildly successful businesses to be a patriot and share your brilliant mind for the better of our great nation is unbelievable.

Jason Calacanis

Agreed. Agreed.

Tony Hinchcliffe

David Friedberg is here. It didn't get the laugh I expected. I was supposed to be funny, but I just was nice to David Sacks and then moved on.

Oh, and to Sacks, the crypto czar: Michael Saylor asked me to say hello. And if you can do anything—anything at all—that would be great.

I don't really know what he's talking about, but it's a truly admirable feat. I'm excited to watch Jason Calacanis follow in your footsteps in 2028 as AOC's special adviser for plugging your own [__] on air.

I didn't think it was possible to be the third wheel on a podcast with 4 guys. You guys—

Jason Calacanis

Oh my God.

Tony Hinchcliffe

—are cracking yourself up. David Friedberg has a segment on the show called Science Corner, or as Sacks calls it, “Time to Go.”

David and David, I would like to personally thank you for both elevating the representation of African Americans among the billionaire class. You know, they say we have wealth inequality in this country. Well, it turns out we fixed it. We just outsourced it to better Africans.

Yeah, that's America. That's America, baby. You see a kid from Johannesburg with a laptop, and he's a billionaire in 10 years. You see a brother from the South Side with a laptop, and he stole your laptop. It's true. The only blackmail on the podcast is whatever the Israeli government has on these guys.

Jason Calacanis

Blackmail.

Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe

All right. But seriously, to the All-In squad, thanks for all you do to promote healthy discourse and share perspectives across culture, tech, and politics. What you all have built is special and transcends partisanship. I'm honored to be here tonight, and I'm very proud to now call each of you my friends. Also, can I borrow some money? Thank you very much.

Jason Calacanis

Awesome. Oh my God, man. That was easier than I thought. Wow. Yo, that was fun. Tell me a little bit about the just unbelievable 12-year overnight success that is Kill Tony.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, I just built the show that I wanted to do. I was always very lucky early on at the Comedy Store to get to host the open mics there, which are 3-minute-long sets on Sundays and Mondays, with 40 comedians in a row doing 3 minutes. Three minutes, three minutes, three minutes.

I would go up after each comedian did 3 minutes and make fun of them. Every once in a while, afterward, I would go up to them personally and say, “Hey, you know, if you took a breath sometimes, or used pauses, or sped up, or got the mic closer to your mouth—little advice here and there.”

My friends and I would always have so much fun sitting in the back of the room watching these open mics. The things that we would whisper into each other's ears, I thought, were so funny. We'd be in the back of the room, and sometimes we'd be the only people laughing at the open mic because of what we were saying to each other.

I thought to myself, during this time when everyone was saying, “Tony, you have to do a podcast. You got to do a podcast. Everyone has a podcast”—it was completely unheard of at the time—“Why not show how crazy an open mic can be, and the ideas that my comedian buddies and I were laughing about? If we shared what we were laughing about with the people, I think it could be a hit.”

Even Redban, the co-host at the time, said, “Wait, what? Who the [__] is going to want to watch an open mic?” I kind of thought everybody would. It turns out it worked out pretty well.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. When I moved to Austin 2 years ago, the first thing people say when they land in Austin is, “Have you been to Kill Tony? Can you get me tickets to Kill Tony?”

You were so nice. You gave me your phone number. You said, “Anytime you want, come in.” And then I texted you, and you ghosted me.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Really? Did that really happen?

Jason Calacanis

No, I just wanted to see if the joke would last.

Tony Hinchcliffe

It would have happened if you did text me. That's why—

Jason Calacanis

I deleted your number, but yeah. No, I didn't.

Tony Hinchcliffe

But it is a phenomenon. The show is selling out. I don't know how many weeks you put out at a time, but my office is over there by Dirty Sixth Street, and sometimes I'll walk to get a coffee and there are 300 people lined up on the street. They just go to Joe Rogan's Mothership to see where it happens.

Jason, what's it like in terms of the number of tickets and then this incredible scale? You've now sold out Madison Square Garden how many times?

Yeah, 3 Kill Tonys and once just for my stand-up—the stand-up show. The most recent Kill Tony was all after my famous MSG performance.

Jason Calacanis

You spoke at the Nuremberg Rally.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. So that was even more special because it was already my favorite arena. In fact, the only reason I really did that event was because I was excited to feel the magic of Madison Square Garden again.

Had it been at, you know, what's the one in Jersey or whatever?

Jason Calacanis

Brendan Byrne.

Tony Hinchcliffe

No, a different arena. It doesn't matter. But it's in Jersey. It doesn't matter.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah. My point is, if it had even been anywhere else, I don't even know if I would have done it. But the magic of MSG, mixed with the opportunity to perhaps get a few people—maybe younger people or whoever was there who were on the fence—to vote what I thought was the right way.

Can I ask, how did that whole MSG thing come about for the Trump campaign? I remember when they asked me to help, and I just threw a dinner. When you did it, you delivered a killer set that almost burned the campaign down.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Fake news. Twenty percent Puerto Rican increase in the state of Pennsylvania. An uptick, because Puerto Ricans have an unbelievable sense of humor.

You know, when you do this every night and all the time, you get a really good feel for what you can and can't get away with, and exactly where the actual line is. I think, in retrospect, a lot of people think that the mainstream media were trying to make it appear like a comedian. I don't think any of these journalists did their research. With a simple Google search, you can see that I have the most diverse comedy show in the world, and that I push the limits, whether it be at the Tom Brady roast or the Snoop Dogg roast, and all the roasts that I've written over the last 13 Comedy Central roasts.

Jason Calacanis

It's equal opportunity, basically.

Tony Hinchcliffe

With a simple Google search of my name, you can find out that I was just doing what I did. I think they weren't banking on the fact that I'm not mainstream, right? I'm not Jimmy Fallon or any of these darlings of theirs. I think that they thought it was going to make everything look bad.

But meanwhile, I think anybody with a sense of humor at all saw it and went, “I think this is the party with a sense of humor.”

Speaker 1

Yes.

Jason Calacanis

Meanwhile, the other side had GloRilla shaking her ass, and everyone's pretending like that's cool, but that's not cool. And, Tony, can we go back to your story? I thought what was so interesting was your story getting here, because there's a lot of entrepreneurs—

David Friedberg

—people that have built businesses in this room. One of the defining characteristics of building a business is that you have to have grit, because nothing goes as planned if you're doing something for the first time.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah.

David Friedberg

And you get your ass kicked. If you can deal with that, you can deal with it again. You deal with it again, and you can eventually get somewhere.

Jason Calacanis

You started out in Los Angeles. Can you talk about not just the idea, but then what the process was like going from the idea to having yourself on stage with the future president at Madison Square Garden? What was that experience like, and how hard was that iteration, that build, and the struggle to get to where you got to?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, it was insane. I actually just mentioned this: I was on Joe Rogan's podcast this week with John Cena, and it came up. I had this moment a few weeks ago where I Venmoed a buddy because I thought that I owed him rent from 18 and a half years ago.

I was renting the couch in a living room with 4 comedians total. I was one of them. One had a bedroom with a bathroom, another one had a bedroom with a bathroom, and there was a little loveseat. The guy was renting the loveseat, and I had to pay $400 a month in rent.

I literally was working all the hours, from 11:00 a.m. on the phones to 7:00 p.m. at night. Then I would put on the Comedy Store T-shirt and work the door from 8:00 p.m. until 2:30 in the morning, and then do it again the next day.

The Comedy Store hadn't had its second huge boom yet, which was a few years away. They would cut your hours at the Comedy Store. They just wouldn't. Not only would you not get overtime, you wouldn't even get the hours that you actually did work, or really anything at all. I couldn't make the $400 a month rent.

Anyway, a few weeks ago, I said to one of the other buddies who had a room, “Hey, I think I still owe the main guy a few hundred bucks in rent.” He goes, “You do? He mentioned it the last time I saw him.”

Jason Calacanis

Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe

So I went to Venmo and just Venmoed him $1,000 straight up. In the caption, I wrote, “Rent money, 2007.”

Jason Calacanis

But, Tony, was there a period during that time when you were going to quit, where you said, “It's not working”?

Tony Hinchcliffe

No, these were my favorite times. In fact, after the $400 rent—which, by the way, because I couldn't make the $400 rent, I got downgraded. Not only was there someone else on the loveseat, but someone else moved in who could afford the $400 rent. So I paid $300 rent for a beanbag on the ground.

And let me remind you, the bathrooms were in the other guy's bedroom. So you had to tiptoe, if you had to pee in the middle of the night, through somebody else's bedroom.

It was after that, actually, after basically the first year, that I decided to just start sleeping in the back seat of my car behind the Comedy Store, where I wasn't even allowed to park.

It’s a tiny parking lot. I would be up on one of the hills in the Hollywood Hills, and after 2:30 or 3:00 a.m., when you’re done, I would walk up a hill, get my car, and drive it back into the empty Comedy Store parking lot. I’d pull into the back. Juan Carlos, the maintenance man there, would show up at around 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. He was nice enough to wait a few hours, trying to let me get a few extra hours of sleep before he started nailing [bleep] and fixing everything.

Those are literally the times that, now that I have a touch of success, I think about all the time. Every single time I find myself looking at the skyline of Austin from my beautiful [bleep] home with a crazy outdoor terrace and everything the way that I want it, I think about those times—the struggle—all the time.

Speaker 1

Was there a moment where you said, “I made it”? [applause]

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, it happens quite a bit. The “I made it” thing happens a lot. Every MSG show—and, again, to go back to it, the Trump thing at MSG being global news was so insane—not only did I make it, I feel every time like I’m making it again. It just seemed, at the time, there were a couple of weeks where literally tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people were saying or thinking that that could be it, that it’s all over.

Speaker 1

What’s the best city for comedy right now? Is it Austin? Is it still L.A.?

Tony Hinchcliffe

There’s no question about it. It’s Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1

Austin. Really?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Absolutely.

Speaker 1

Honestly, you guys are making it sound really fun. You’re there. Jake’s there. Rogan’s there. Who else is there?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Elon, Tim Ferriss.

Speaker 1

Let’s go shopping.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Shane Gillis. His entire crew is there—Matt McCusker, Tom Segura.

Speaker 1

I came and saw you a few months ago when we did that event in Austin. What was that, March or something? March, right?

Tony Hinchcliffe

It was incredible. I mean, the crowd.

Speaker 1

Yeah. We got hooked up with your guy, who got us some tickets, and I was with some buddies. They said, “Let’s go see Kill Tony.” We got in touch with your guy and got into the show, and I think I had forgotten what stand-up comedy was supposed to be like from the late ’90s, early 2000s, even into the 2010s. Over the last couple of years, we’ve talked a lot about guys getting their heads chopped off when they said something wrong—Chappelle—and everyone got so guarded in comedy.

I went to your show and I was like, “What the fuck? Oh my god.” [laughter] This was tame tonight, but what went on on your stage? Then you did a bit where you really tried to push the limits. It was a really interesting show to watch because we were sitting next to each other and we were like, “Oh my god, he’s really trying to see how far he could go.” There were moments where everyone was just like— [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

But it was so different. You’ve really given everyone permission to find the limits, to find real humor, to find what’s been taken away, without a doubt. And that’s what we always did.

Some comedians, when they’re trying to promote their specials or whatever now from L.A. and New York, will say things like, “Oh, Austin,” so that they can get hits on their clip. You have to talk [bleep] about Austin. It’s been a thing the last couple of years. They go, “Oh, they’re just edgelords and this and that, and they’re just pushing limits.” We were the Comedy Store guys in the middle of the lineup. When I go to New York, I can perform at any club there. When I go to L.A., I can perform at any club there.

So, we just live there. It’s an amazing place to live. It’s an amazing place to go out and drink and eat, listen to music, and hang out with people.

Speaker 1

Now, your guys are going mainstream. Your one guy’s on SNL now.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, Shane, right?

And so much is happening. But my point is that we’re doing the exact same thing. We’re not like, “Let’s go to Austin and get even crazier.” We’re the exact same people who were in the middle of the lineup at the Comedy Store. It wouldn’t have changed. We would still be in L.A. if California hadn’t completely mishandled the pandemic and let police take such a terrible hit during the George Floyd riots.

Speaker 1

That’s why you moved.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. It’s when we all decided to move. It was an absolute disaster.

Speaker 1

The pandemic hit. You guys saw how—

Tony Hinchcliffe

The pandemic got so bad at one point that, when we were doing our show—which you weren’t allowed to have a live audience for—we were still doing Kill Tony. You want to talk about plowing through when times are rough? Everybody else’s podcasts during the pandemic skyrocketed like that. Us? The only show with a live audience was done. But we didn’t stop. I had to improvise.

We had people send in, from home, a video of themselves doing a 1-minute set, which was horrendous. I mean, absolutely terrible—worse than doing roast jokes and killing. We had one guy going “ooh” after each and every joke into a microphone attached to his cheek. [laughter] But it was dead silence. Nothing was funny to us, by the way. We lacked [bleep] vitamin D. We were used to having the instant gratification of a crowd every single week.

We were watching these horrific 1-minute sets, and then we would Zoom with the people. And by the way, don’t even get me started on all the technical issues: playing a video, ending the video, starting the Zoom call with somebody who probably doesn’t have the best Wi-Fi. No great comedian knows how to work a computer or this or that or anything, anyway.

We were doing this, and then at one point we were so excited because they allowed you to have tables outside of the Comedy Store, 6 feet apart, in the parking lot. The parking lot was empty of cars. Social distancing.

Speaker 1

Oh my god. The dumbest [bleep] era of humanity that’s ever existed.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I know this is San Francisco, so you’re like, “Oh, he’s the devil. What’s he talking about?” I think we all wanted safety. You got tricked, [bleep]. [laughter]

Speaker 1

Let me ask about Europe. Have you followed any of what’s going on in Europe with speech suppression?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, it’s insane.

Speaker 1

It’s insane. We talk about it in our green room all the time. Yeah, it’s crazy. I get weekly updates. And do we worry about that? We had this bill in California called SB 771, and I’ve got to give a shout-out to Gavin Newsom for vetoing it. All the things you want to say about Gavin, but he vetoed it, thank God.

This was a hate-speech bill where you can’t say speech that’s deemed hate by administrators in the government. Those bills are finding their way here, and it made it all the way through in California, except Gavin vetoed it. Those sorts of bills are showing up that were in the EU and throughout Europe. Do we worry about that here in this country? I’ve always viewed comedy as the most important test of free speech, and it really does define what we’re being given permission to do.

Tony Hinchcliffe

It’s so interesting because I work directly with YouTube and am insanely in touch with these things on a weekly basis. I do believe YouTube is the biggest streaming platform right now. What’s insane is that Netflix—and Ted Sarandos—literally is like, “Do whatever you want. Go as hard as you want. Push it to the limit. Let’s go.” Meanwhile, on YouTube, every week something’s different.

A Black guy right now is only allowed to say the N-word. A Black comedian can only say the N-word 2 or 3 times per minute, but the rules aren’t very clear. I mean, you don’t even notice when these guys do it, by the way. It’s obviously different from a white guy saying the N-word.

Speaker 2

That’s about Friedberg’s average.

Speaker 3

Right? Exactly. [laughter]

Speaker 2

It’s not even funny. Tony, don’t laugh at a joke.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Tony. We’re in this together.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, but yes, the interesting thing is that you can say certain words on YouTube, but they have them ranked, and the rules change all the time. You don’t find out that the rules at YouTube have changed until your producer goes, “They just demonetized the episode,” and it’s been out for an hour and a half, which is when everybody’s going to see the episode. The age restriction is a killer because—

Speaker 1

Yeah, we got hit with that restricted content.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Almost everyone who watches the show is over 18. However, who the hell wants to log in to their stuff? I mean, you dorks do, but real people don’t want to. They just like going to YouTube, typing in the show, and there it is. It aired an hour ago. Here we go.

Then if it says age restriction, just to check to see if you’re 18—which is what a [bleep] joke, because every kid can access anything anyway—

Speaker 1

We got age-restricted.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, we got restricted content.

Speaker 1

But I guess your point, Tony, is that there are gatekeepers who control the distribution channel—in this case, YouTube.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Without a doubt. And I’ll say this again: I don’t want to keep getting political, but there was a time toward the end of that last Biden administration when we were seeing things go the wrong way almost every week. Like, “Why’d this one get demonetized? How did this one get demonetized?” Because we would have to—and you have to do a lot of digging, because they’re just robots over there—until you finally get big enough to get a human contact at YouTube, which is a big deal.

It was definitely going the wrong way, and it felt like every week there was some new category of thought and expression that you couldn’t say. They were banning new things, and then, frankly, Elon bought Twitter.

Speaker 1

And that was the first event that shifted the momentum.

No, there’s no doubt.

Speaker 2

And now the EU is coming after him. They fined him €120 million yesterday.

Speaker 1

It’s like Europe never got the memo. You know, it’s over. Will you guys tour in Europe, or is it not working?

Tony Hinchcliffe

We did. We just did in June, and unless they basically give us Buckingham Palace, we’ll probably never go there again. It was the worst Kill Tony in the history of our existence.

The comedians were just terrible. We’ve done quite a few shows in England and Ireland and stuff, but the comedians were terrible. The vibes there are rough. There’s just this never-ending gloom in London.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe

The food is beyond horrible.

Speaker 1

They used to be funny over there, right? We were going to the locals like, “Please, anything. Where can we get a steak? Where can they overcook us a steak?” [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, it was fucking crazy, man. Everything. It became a running joke because we got there a few days early to settle in and kind of ease into it. So that’s 3 meals a day. Even if it’s just 3 days, that’s 9 terrible meals in a row.

We have the best food in the country in Austin. It’s unbelievable. We have hundreds of restaurants better than anything we tried, even the fanciest crap in London.

Speaker 2

And they open 7 new ones a week. I mean, it does say something about society when comedy is appreciated more in the Middle East than it is in London.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, I mean, it’s pretty crazy. It really was.

Speaker 1

Hey, Tony, any chance we could play Kill Tony tonight?

Tony Hinchcliffe

You guys want to play Kill Tony here? [cheering]

All right. Is it true? Did you guys prepare something?

Speaker 2

Oh, whoa. Oh my God.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Well, please. This is Callie, our elegant elf.

Speaker 2

Wow.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Callie the elegant elf.

Speaker 1

You guys have your own Heidi. That’s amazing.

Speaker 2

Yes, she’s here. That’s a San Francisco Heidi.

Tony Hinchcliffe

So she has a penis.

Speaker 1

Asking for a friend.

Tony Hinchcliffe

San Francisco Heidi. There’s got to be a surprise underneath that skirt.

Oh boy, here we go.

This place is ridiculous, by the way. You guys all better be wildly successful for living here. [laughter] I walked outside of my hotel earlier. There were literally 2 dudes banging against a tree. I looked the other way, and there was a guy taking a shit on the sidewalk. Then a lady walks up to me and tells me to put out my cigarette. [laughter] What is going on with San Francisco? It’s crazy. Kind of nuts.

So, you guys prepared for this? You know how it works. You get 60 seconds uninterrupted. You know that your time is up when you hear the sound of a kitten.

Wow. You really got it. Then you have to wrap it up, or else you bring out the angry West Hollywood bear. Okay, you guys want to do this? [cheering]

All right, this is All-In Kill Tony, ladies and gentlemen. Going up first, make some noise for Jason, everybody. [cheering]

Jason Calacanis

Oh my lord. Wow. All right. Well, many of you know I moved to Austin, got a ranch, and also lost 40 pounds. So now it’s a fat-free ranch. Thank you. [laughter]

Yeah, I went fat-shaming. But I’m a little nervous about doing a minute up here. I don’t know how I’m going to get through a minute without interrupting Sacks.

Thank you. Tony, I’m a huge fan. I’m a big fan of yourself, Joe Rogan, and Redban. People say I name-drop a lot, but I just got a text from Elon. He says that’s not true. [laughter] It’s not true.

It’s great to be—thank you—it’s great to be here with 3 of my besties and a new one. We’re missing Chamath. Now, some people say Chamath is a douche. I don’t agree. I don’t agree because women get something out of putting a douche inside of them. I thought that one would land. [laughter]

Sacks, my Jewish friend here, is the—oh, God. Okay, I don’t know if I should say this one. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

Go for it.

Jason Calacanis

Okay, I’ll do it. I’ll go for it. Sacks is the only Jewish guy who built an app to remind his friends to pay him back.

All right, that’s my time, everybody. Thank you.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Jason, everybody. [cheering] [applause]

Wow. You don’t want to do the interview. You have to stay up there.

Jason Calacanis

Oh, I’m supposed to stay up. I’m sorry.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Stay standing. It’s not that easy. What do you do for a living? [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

Yeah. I’ve got a podcast or two.

Tony Hinchcliffe

So, how hard did you prepare for this? [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

I guess 2,500 podcast episodes later. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I love it. I love it. Now, when you were writing this material, were you planning on doing the joke and then turning to see if we were laughing each time? [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

That could have been a tactical mistake. Sorry.

Tony Hinchcliffe

You’re supposed to engage with the audience and stay focused on them. [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

Yeah. Okay. What do you do for a living?

Speaker 3

Product manager at Google.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Sorry about the layoffs.

Jason Calacanis

I don’t even know what kind of tech jokes you guys—what kind of inside-baseball nerd shit is going on here. I feel like I walked into a Magic: The Gathering convention.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Is stand-up something that you’ve ever wanted to do, or is this just spontaneous for you?

Jason Calacanis

Just spontaneous. More of a magician.

Tony Hinchcliffe

No, that’s not true. Do you have magic tricks?

Jason Calacanis

I have no magic tricks.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Do you have any other special skills?

Jason Calacanis

I can get 3 narcissistic Asperger’s venture capitalists to show up every Thursday and tape a podcast. That’s my only trick.

Tony Hinchcliffe

That’s amazing. Good answer.

Jason Calacanis

They appreciate it.

Tony Hinchcliffe

You know what, Jason? I think you did just fucking good enough. Come on back and sit down. Let’s keep it moving. [applause]

You guys having fun out there? All right.

Well, this is my fucking guy, ladies and gentlemen. As you know, I love him. You love him. Make some goddamn noise for the one and only David Sacks, everybody. [cheering] [music]

David Sacks

All right, Tony. Thank you so much for being here. I loved your roast of Puerto Rico. You went so hard after a Latino island, and I’m shocked President Trump didn’t appoint you Secretary of War.

JCal, I’ve been following your feed this week. I really appreciate your support for All-In Tequila. I know you love it because you finally get to take a shot that’s not Ozempic. [cheering]

It was only a matter of time before JCal got in the beverage business, because I’ve never met anyone more thirsty than JCal. He spent his entire life dreaming of the day he would see his name mentioned alongside the world’s most influential people. Congratulations, Jason. You finally did it. You’re in Epstein’s black book. [cheering]

I knew the Epstein files were a hoax as soon as I saw that JCal was in them. Who would want to blackmail a loser?

All right, let’s talk about Chamath. Chamath is a prime example of why unlimited immigration is not in America’s interest. Chamath is from Sri Lanka. Tony’s description of Puerto Rico didn’t offend him; it made him homesick. [laughter]

Do I have time? Can I keep going?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah.

David Sacks

Chamath has angered so many investors. SPAC now stands for “Seriously Pissed at Chamath.” [laughter]

And Friedberg is all about science. So, what can I say about Friedberg that hasn’t already been said about watching paint dry? [laughter]

Friedberg lives life as a vegan, and that’s exactly what it feels like to hang out with him. You know, there are more satisfying options on the menu, but you made a decision and now you’re stuck with it.

You’ve all tried those tasteless Beyond Burgers. Well, Friedberg is our Beyond friend.

All right. Thank you, everyone. [cheering]

Tony Hinchcliffe

David Sacks, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah.

Unbelievable. Oh, okay. You’re good. Sacks, you’re good. I’ve got to tell you, man, that was fucking unbelievable. [cheering]

I wasn’t expecting to have to do this tonight, but I think I just found a new Golden Ticket winner. [cheering] [applause]

Have you ever done stuff on stage before in a non-business-like sense?

David Sacks

Well, we’ve done a couple of roasts among our friends at birthday parties before. We did a JCal roast. We did a Phil Hellmuth roast. There’s a lot of material in both of those cases.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yes. So, we’ve done some friendly roasts, but—

David Sacks

Your 50th roast.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, my 50th birthday. We actually did a big roast. These guys were all part of it, so we had a little bit of roast experience.

Amazing. It shows, Sacks. That was absolutely incredible. How about one more time for David Sacks, everybody?

Jason Calacanis

Did he get his $15,000 worth from the comedians he hired, or no? [laughter] Is that how much he spent all-in, or do you pay for them out of pocket? [laughter] That was incredible.

That was amazing. Are we going to have Friedberg do his set?

David Friedberg

We want to hear Friedberg. Let’s do it. Tony, Tony, hype me up. Let’s go.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for your final comedian of the night, David Friedberg. Everybody.

David Friedberg

So great to be in San Francisco. The streets are like Chamath: they’re totally full of shit.

Thanks for being here, Tony Hinchcliffe. I love the show. I’ve worked in agriculture for years, so I’m used to working with genetically modified fruits. Tony Hinchcliffe’s actually a GMO—a gay man. Obviously. [laughter]

Chamath couldn’t be here tonight because he’s feeding the hungry. Just kidding, that’s below his pay grade. [laughter]

Speaking of hungry, JCal, you’re looking great, buddy. Thank you. Now you only have to buy 1 seat on Epstein’s plane.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Chamath, your weight goes up and down more than your SPAC portfolio. In fact, you look so skinny now, I confused you for Chamath’s legs. Chamath’s legs are so thin, he wears socks, leggings, and thermals. He covers up more than Sacks does for the Trump administration.

Sacks, congrats on all the success, but the stress is clearly getting to you. You look like someone microwaved Jon Lovitz. All In is what Sacks says when he’s cheering on an ICE vehicle. We’re all so different. I’m just the science guy: I study black holes while Chamath invests in them. Here we are, enjoying the holiday spirit together. I know the things I said tonight might be a little mean, but the world’s already burning. I figured I might as well burn some bridges. All right, Christmas tree. [applause]

Jason Calacanis

Wow. Have you ever done anything non-business, like something performative, historically? A play? Nothing?

David Friedberg

A little acting growing up, a few plays, a few musicals. Oh, here’s a factoid no one knows: I actually starred in a play with Rashida Jones, the actress from Parks and Recreation.

Jason Calacanis

What was that play?

David Friedberg

We were in the same high school, and we were in the drama program together.

Jason Calacanis

What was the play that you guys did together?

David Friedberg

Inherit the Wind.

Jason Calacanis

Oh, wow.

Speaker 1

A little before my time or something. I don’t know. Sacks would be familiar, right?

David Sacks

I love it.

Jason Calacanis

When you’re writing jokes like this, what was your process? Where did you find yourself coming up with your funniest stuff? Did you sit down at a desk?

Tony Hinchcliffe

I just like to shoot the shit on the computer and then edit it. I like putting on music. We were playing some music, and then I just kind of did them. We did this for Sacks, and I went a little scorched-earth for his 50th. Do you remember that?

David Sacks

Yeah, I definitely remember.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I think everybody remembers that, with a lot of pent-up anger. Friedberg gave a set that—

Jason Calacanis

It was so bad.

David Friedberg

No, it wasn’t bad. It was just mean.

Jason Calacanis

It was mean.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, it was wild. I just said the mean shit.

David Friedberg

It was like [bleep] strength applied to a roast.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. It was so mean, you didn’t realize it had stopped being funny. [laughter]

Let me ask you this, David. Do you remember one of your favorite—or one of the bigger, crazier jokes from the Sacks roast?

David Sacks

I don’t. No, I’ll pull it up later.

Tony Hinchcliffe

There’s nothing.

David Sacks

That was my 50th birthday, so it was like 2 years ago.

Jason Calacanis

Oh, hey. That little self-deprecating joke—I see.

That’s amazing. But you didn’t film that or anything.

David Sacks

I don’t know. Do we have a copy of that?

Jason Calacanis

We might have a copy of that one.

Tony Hinchcliffe

That’s what Epstein would do.

Jason Calacanis

We did some amazing birthday-party roasts. Jay Cal had one. I had one. We went to Philly, but we never recorded them, which was—we were kind of afraid.

David Sacks

We were very afraid of being—

Jason Calacanis

We were afraid of getting canceled.

David Sacks

That is correct.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, but now we’re uncanceled on both.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I love that. Perfect.

Jason Calacanis

We don’t give a shit.

Speaker 1

Yeah. [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

Friedberg, did that go how it felt like it was going to go for you? Was there more or less? What was different for people who haven’t tried comedy or written something?

David Friedberg

My cadence is a little off. I’ve got to go 1 or 2 more rounds, and I think I can get the cadence down. I liked it. I had some other material I pulled out, and I’d like to try that at some point. [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

I thought there was some A-plus material in there. A-plus. [applause] It was great. David Friedberg, ladies and gentlemen.

David Friedberg

You guys are good. All right, respectable. That’s what we wanted to do.

Jason Calacanis

You know, we have a tradition: We give some Bestie Awards. These are the best of the year. Maybe our elegant elf, Callie, can come out and present us with the 5th annual Bestie Awards. Here it is. As you can see, it’s 2 very heterosexual men embracing.

Speaker 1

That makes sense. San Francisco. [cheering]

Jason Calacanis

Callie.

Speaker 1

Hey, guys. [music]

Jason Calacanis

All right, first up—

Speaker 1

Keep her on. [laughter]

Jason Calacanis

What do you say?

Speaker 1

Keep her on.

Jason Calacanis

Take it easy. She said, “Between the 2 of you.”

All right, so first up on the Bestie Awards is our Biggest Business Winner. Who did you have for Biggest Business Winner? Oh, Sultan of Science—Alphabet.

David Friedberg

Alphabet went from a $2 trillion market cap to a $4 trillion market cap this year. That’s a $170 billion gain—$10 billion in market-cap gain every day for the entire year. They added $10 billion of value every day for the entire year. The pivot in AI, the risk-taking, cloud growing 40%, YouTube the number-one media company in the world—it’s all under 1 roof. I think they just crushed it on all cylinders. Business of the year.

Jason Calacanis

Amazing. Sacks, who did you have as your Biggest Business Winner?

David Sacks

I said construction workers related to the data-center boom. They’re seeing their wages go up 25% to 30%. We’re talking about plumbers, electricians, drywall hangers, concrete pourers. It’s not just tech companies. We’re seeing a larger boom throughout the country because of AI.

Jason Calacanis

Didn’t Jim say there are electricians that make $500,000 a year or something? Master electricians?

David Sacks

Unbelievable.

Jason Calacanis

Pretty incredible, and a great White House talking point for the midterms. [laughter]

Chamath Palihapitiya

I, too, had Alphabet and Google. We were sitting here a year ago, and everybody thought they would absolutely get killed by ChatGPT. Now we’re having a discussion: ChatGPT is probably going to get killed by Google.

Jason Calacanis

Oh, Google Cloud, right? Is that who that is?

Chamath Palihapitiya

Yeah.

Jason Calacanis

Just out of curiosity, because I don’t know how any of this works: What did Alphabet do this year to surprise you guys, other than the results? How did they get there? What did they do?

David Friedberg

They put AI into search. Now, when you go to search, there’s an AI interface that pops up. That’s how they drove people to their AI product, because they’ve got the biggest consumer product in the world, Google.com. Then they had a good product, so they put the 2 together, and suddenly they’re crushing ChatGPT.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Yeah. Sometimes the first company up the hill takes the arrows, like Netscape, the browser, which eventually wound up losing. But I think Google was also underestimated, and they probably were very conservative in how they released products. Then they kind of got permission when Sergey came back to work full-time at Google, the founder. They took more chances, and the search franchise grew this year. Everybody thought it would go down. It grew.

Tony Hinchcliffe

My Biggest Business Winner is the show Kill Tony. I don’t know if you guys have heard about it. We have a 4-special deal on Netflix, which is unprecedented for any show. We also ranked number 2 at the end of the year on YouTube, only behind my very best friend, Joe Rogan. So that’s pretty crazy.

Jason Calacanis

That is the number-two podcast on YouTube. YouTube’s the number-one podcast platform. Pretty incredible.

Tony Hinchcliffe

By the way, Jason, can I tell you something? I didn’t tell you this before, but when I came and saw your show in Austin, I hadn’t seen a Kill Tony show before. Someone I was with said, “You should go check this out,” and that’s how we ended up going. Then I came back and thought, “I should watch Kill Tony.” I would say I’ve watched maybe 100 episodes since I came back. It’s so big.

Jason Calacanis

It’s timeless content. Every night when I’m ready for bed, I’ll put on YouTube and watch a Kill Tony episode. It is literally my go-to media now.

Tony Hinchcliffe

The live show is the gateway. I highly recommend checking one out live, because you can feel the opportunity for failure. It’s funny to watch online, but when it’s live, you can feel that they’re right there. Anything can happen. This could go terribly wrong.

Jason Calacanis

It feels dangerous.

Tony Hinchcliffe

It feels dangerous, and then it’s so great. It’s almost like waiting for the big game moment to happen. You’re waiting for that big champion to show up, like that guy you had a couple of weeks ago who you made up.

Jason Calacanis

Dedrick Flynn. That guy was insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe

It’s amazing. In just 4 weeks, he was made a regular. You randomly pulled him out of the bucket, saw him, and the interview was so likable. I skipped the Golden Ticket and made him the first appointed regular. We maybe get 1 of those every 2 years. Cut to 4 weeks later, last Monday, he literally did a rap about how rich he already is. He did a whole rap performance about quitting next week. He was like, “I’m out of here. I’m going to—”

Jason Calacanis

Do you get a piece of it, or does your agent just snipe these people?

Tony Hinchcliffe

No. Well, actually, that’s an interesting question, because now the entire industry is watching Kill Tony to see what’s next. The bucket is the first line of defense. Howie Mandel watches every episode, and people get booked on America’s Got Talent based on whether they’re unbelievable on Kill Tony.

Jason Calacanis

You should offer them a show on your channel. That would be the ultimate move.

Remember, Johnny Carson used to be the thing where a stand-up would go on Johnny Carson, and if Johnny invited them to sit down, then they had a career. You’ve kind of become the new—

Tony Hinchcliffe

But he’s kept it fair.

What’s crazy is that guy, Dedrick.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah. Dedrick.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Dedrick. He’s so black, you can’t even say his name.

Jason Calacanis

Absolutely.

Tony Hinchcliffe

He put his name in as Dedrick.

Jason Calacanis

Don’t use that generic word that you used. Do it. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

He put his name in the bucket for 2 years to get called. So he moved to Austin and did 39 weeks in a row, and he was just about to stop trying. Then he got pulled.

Unlike all these other guys, where there are control systems in Hollywood with agents and producers and they’re like, “Here’s the guy that’s going to be the winner,” these guys all have a democratic shot. They have an open shot at getting in that bucket and getting pulled, which is what I love about it. You never know what you’re going to get, and everyone has a shot. So it’s not like this control thing.

Jason Calacanis

You know what you should do? If they agree to do it, you should say, “Just as a thank-you, we want the option for you to come do 1 Kill Tony special a year for the next 2 years.” Not something crazy, but just—

Tony Hinchcliffe

You should take business advice from JCal.

Jason Calacanis

Absolutely. Hey, I built the number 1 podcast in the world. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

It’s not just you. He gives me advice. He gives the president advice.

Jason Calacanis

I gave the president great advice, and he said, “Even Jason has good advice.” All right. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

Even JCal. Even Jake, biggest business loser. Who’s your biggest business loser? David Sacks, who’s the biggest loser?

Jason Calacanis

Universities. The margin of Americans who now believe that college is worth the cost has gone from plus 13 a decade ago to minus 30.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Wow.

Jason Calacanis

So no one believes that college is worth the cost anymore.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Amazing. Great poll. What do you think, Friedberg, about Warner Bros. Discovery?

David Friedberg

I think the fact that the M&A deal is being done at 3 times the value that this thing’s been trading at for the last couple of years really shows how they undermanaged the business. The content itself is worth so much more. They were never able to get value out of it, which speaks to what terrible management they’ve had there.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Which company did you say?

David Friedberg

Warner Bros.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Warner Bros. That just got beat. Yeah. You owned the stock, didn’t you, in your thing?

Jason Calacanis

I cleared it. I was like, “These guys are going to—”

Tony Hinchcliffe

You missed the outcome.

Jason Calacanis

I did miss the outcome. Yeah, it was a rare miss for me. I went with Apple.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Wait, hold on a second.

Jason Calacanis

They didn’t listen to your advice. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

I mean, the problem was I had all these other things that had won, and I had a bunch of gains and needed to sell my losers.

He put all his stock trades on the internet, Tony. But then—

Jason Calacanis

I called it J Trading, and it went up 5 times and 3 times.

Tony Hinchcliffe

But he bought a whole bunch of Warner Bros. He’s like, “This is the next big thing.”

Jason Calacanis

I thought Disney and Warner Bros. would figure it out. Neither of them have. My biggest business loser was Apple. This company has unlimited distribution and unlimited capital, and the most impressive thing they’ve done in the last 10 years is a thin iPhone. What a missed opportunity.

Maybe the best thing they’ve done recently is Pluribus. I don’t know if you guys are watching that, but—

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, people like it.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, it’s a pretty great show. Literally, if I’m thinking their streaming show is the best thing they’ve got, they’ve got a problem.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Who’s the biggest loser in comedy?

Jason Calacanis

Entertainment, right?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Well, the biggest losers really are these giant movie studios, which still are virtue-signaling and afraid to take any chances whatsoever. The last movie with any edge at all in a theater, I think, was The Hangover, which I think was 2006.

Jason Calacanis

And it made a billion dollars for that franchise.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah, exactly.

Jason Calacanis

Are they coming to you asking you to do 1? I would think that would be a very natural play, but there’s no studio who would do it. So maybe A24 or 1 of the smaller ones.

Tony Hinchcliffe

We are working on something. Really, yeah. And it’s going to be—

Jason Calacanis

You heard it here first.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Definitely the answer to that, and it’s all happening. It’s going to—

Jason Calacanis

Well, they let you do what you want.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yes. We already went and got independent financing for it—my amazing team over at UTA.

Jason Calacanis

Wonderful. What would be analogous or inspirational for you? Are there films that informed this 1? Are you a Tropic Thunder fan? Are you into Easy Money, with Rodney Dangerfield, from back in the day? What comedians in films did you love?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Without a doubt—and it’s an odd pick because it’s not the 1 everybody thinks I’m going to say—Kingpin, with Woody Harrelson and Bill Murray. I think it’s the best Farrelly Brothers film. I think it’s the funniest thing Bill Murray’s ever done. I think it’s the funniest thing Woody Harrelson’s ever done.

If you haven’t watched it in the past few years, go back and watch it 1 more time. It’s unbelievable. It seems like it’s a movie about bowling, but it’s not at all. It’s just hysterical.

I had a bunch of 7- and 8-year-olds over for my daughter’s birthday party, and we did a film. So I said, “Oh, you guys should watch Bill Murray in What About Bob?”

This was a beloved PG film. I thought this would be fine. They’re 8 years old. In the film, they use all these words—you know, “dick breath,” “idiot.” They just do this thing. Then I went to school the next day, and 3 parents cornered me here in the Bay Area.

Jason Calacanis

“Can we talk to you about your film selection? My daughter came home and she said, ‘Dick breath.’”

Tony Hinchcliffe

I was like, “Have you seen What About Bob?” And the parent was like, “No.” I was like, “You should watch it. It’s incredible.” Our daughters are never coming over to your house again.

Jason Calacanis

Meanwhile, those same San Francisco parents are probably like, “Do you know there wasn’t a single trans character in that movie?” She said “dick breath,” but I think they should actually have “dick breath,” because there’s nothing that’s off-limits. [laughter]

Tony Hinchcliffe

Jason, we’ve got 2 minutes to get through. Two-minute lightning round. Go.

Jason Calacanis

Okay. Biggest political winner is the Democratic Socialists of America.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Okay. [laughter]

David Sacks

Sadly, biggest political winner—well, this may be a talking point, but I’m going to say crypto. A year ago, there was a war on crypto. They were worried about going to jail. Now we’ve passed legislation, and we’re getting a fair shake from the government. It’s a total change.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. Incredible. You know, I had your pick: Zohran Mamdani socialism. I also had the America First movement that’s burgeoning. But I gave it some thought and thought, my lord, there’s 1 individual who part-time went to the government and took crypto and made it legal and created a framework for it. They made sure that America would be absolutely competitive in the AI race, the most important race of our lifetime and, in fact, of humanity’s.

So, hands down, my biggest political winner of 2025 is Mr. David Sacks. [cheering] [applause]

Jason Calacanis

Okay. Political winner for you. You don’t give a fuck. What do you think?

Tony Hinchcliffe

A political winner for me? I mean, again, I’m just a big fan of this president. People can say that I kiss ass and that comedians shouldn’t. There’s this thing I’ve been hearing where people are like, “Comedians should be punching up, not punching down. You’re supposed to make fun of the big thing.”

Well, if everybody is making fun of that 1 thing, then I think it’s kind of funny to go the other way and to push it up. So I literally have pro-Trump jokes in my stand-up set, which nobody’s fucking doing.

Jason Calacanis

Which 1 lands the most?

Tony Hinchcliffe

I make fun of his autograph. I say he has the most obnoxiously cool autograph in the world. It looks like Lizzo’s heart rate.

Jason Calacanis

And he actually does.

Tony Hinchcliffe

My biggest political loser, Sacks—

Jason Calacanis

By the way, he does have the best sense of humor—

David Sacks

It must be the best of any president we’ve ever had.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Hysterical.

Anyone who’s spent time with him is just blown away at how funny he is. All the best comedians talk about how he might be the funniest human being on planet Earth. This is a conversation I’ve had. I’m not going to name their names, but you can put it together in your head. I’m talking about the actual best comedians in the world.

Jason Calacanis

All of them.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I believe—

Jason Calacanis

All of them. Michael Richards.

Tony Hinchcliffe

No, I’m kidding.

You know who the best are. And yes, they all agree. Funny is funny. It’s undeniable. Literally—goddamn it, I’m blanking out. This week he did something so fucked—oh, the Somali thing.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe

It’s a hellhole. [laughter] They come over here and they fuck and complain. It’s common sense, and that’s the funniest thing.

Jason Calacanis

I still love when Zohran visited him and he said, “It’s okay, you can say—”

Tony Hinchcliffe

I’m fucked. It’s easier if you just tell them, “Okay, yes.”

Okay, let’s go. Come on. Let’s keep going. Okay. Biggest political loser, Sacks.

David Sacks

My biggest political loser is Europe. It’s a civilization in decline. [applause] They’re losing economically, geopolitically, socially, and culturally, and they can’t seem to reverse that trend. It’s very sad.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Political loser, Friedberg?

David Friedberg

The founding fathers.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Wow. Because I feel like free speech, property-seizure rights—you know, we read this excerpt from these 2 Thomas Jefferson letters, and you can read a lot of these. Just ask Gemini to tell you about some of the things that the Founding Fathers wrote.

If you spend time with them and translate them into modern English, because they do write in a very poetic, frilly way, there is so much of the principles of the Founding Fathers that are lost in how we are kind of devolving into this organizational system where the government is everything in our lives, everything in our country. The individual liberties are being taken from us.

And I don't mean taken from us in a sense that they're being seized. We're voting for a government that dictates our lives, that controls what we eat, how we eat, how we live, how we get paid—our checks. I think the majority of Americans today live on checks from the government, through the government. I think that the Founding Fathers would have been really saddened at the state.

Jason Calacanis

I went with Stephen Miller. I felt his performative cruelty was a detraction for the 47th administration.

Tony Hinchcliffe

And that was a shame because I loved his band.

Jason Calacanis

Yeah, this is Biggest Political Loser.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. Mine's Gavin Newsom.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Yes.

Jason Calacanis

I mean, the hair is great.

David Sacks

Yeah, great hair.

Tony Hinchcliffe

That's enough for you liberals to be impressed by. Absolutely.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Oh, he's got hair. Amazing.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Let's go with Breakthrough of the Year. Friedberg, what's your breakthrough of the year?

David Friedberg

Okay, we haven't talked about it on the show. This definitely deserves a Science Corner, but asteroid Bennu: NASA sent a probe, and they pulled a bunch of samples up. In 2020, they collected the samples; they landed back on Earth in 2023.

2 days ago, they showed that on asteroid Bennu there are nucleic acids, amino acids, and sugars. All of the building blocks of life were found on this asteroid floating through space.

Jason Calacanis

Wow.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Can I ask you a question?

David Friedberg

Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Did the asteroid make it to Uranus?

Jason Calacanis

Friedberg, this is great, but you're putting the audience—I honestly think, just for a brief moment before we make the jokes, this is going to end up being one of the most amazing discoveries of our lifetime. It really does show that life is not necessarily unique to planet Earth.

This was an asteroid that's been floating around for 4.5 billion years, and it's got all the components of life on it. It's a pretty incredible discovery.

David Friedberg

It's amazing.

Tony Hinchcliffe

And it is made out of sugar.

Jason Calacanis

It's got sugar on it. It's got glucose on it.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Friedberg, how many times have you masturbated to this asteroid so far?

Chamath Palihapitiya

All right. My breakthrough of the year is 3 or 4 humanoid robots. I think we're just underestimating the progress these will have. Everybody's going to get their own C-3PO/Friedberg, so we won't be the only ones with a robot in our lives. Sacks, what was your biggest?

David Sacks

I just said being able to use Starlink on commercial flights. I mean, you can actually use the internet now.

Jason Calacanis

Hold on a second. I'm calling bullshit. You haven't been on a commercial flight since Clinton was in office.

David Sacks

Oh, that's true. I was doing it for you guys.

Jason Calacanis

Honestly, when were you last on a commercial flight?

David Sacks

Last time you flew commercial? For you, JCal. For you.

Jason Calacanis

Thank you. Is it more than 10 years?

David Sacks

I'm for the people. I was thinking about you.

Jason Calacanis

Is it more than 10 years since you've been on a commercial flight?

David Sacks

I set the over-under at 15 years. I haven't been on a commercial flight since 2012.

Jason Calacanis

2012.

Tony Hinchcliffe

I don't know how to be real. I mean, what do you do? Do you like it?

Jake, what's the Wi-Fi password on the Lolita Express?

Jason Calacanis

Apparently, it's 1-2-3. Oh, is that 2? Is that a strike?

David Sacks

Come back.

Tony Hinchcliffe

By the way, why is it that all the liberal guests that you bring on the pod are regular visitors to Little St. James?

Jason Calacanis

What are you talking about?

Tony Hinchcliffe

All of your liberal buddies that you bring on the pod.

Jason Calacanis

Okay.

Tony Hinchcliffe

But he did get some good dating advice, apparently.

Jason Calacanis

Oh, come on.

Tony Hinchcliffe

CEO of the Year, not named Elon Musk. We all, by consensus, have to pick Jensen Huang.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Jensen Huang has been 33 years in the making. He built a flywheel, had the vision, and stuck through the ups and downs. For whatever people said about every generation of the last 33 years, he kept building, and this flywheel finally took off.

Here's a crazy statistic: NVIDIA is at a $4.5 trillion market cap. That's up from $300 billion 36 months ago. So this is a company that, in 36 months, created $4.2 trillion of market value. That's $100 billion every month for 3 years straight. It's incredible.

Jason Calacanis

I think it's insane. Chamath, who is your CEO of the year, not named Elon Musk?

Chamath Palihapitiya

Well, that was a great one, but I'm going to go with Alex Karp because, if you heard him speak at all at the Summit, I think he brought down the house. He out-Tuckered Tucker.

I mean, so in addition to Palantir being a monster of the last year,

Tony Hinchcliffe

I went with NVIDIA, Trump's favorite company, and Jensen Huang as well. Let me just say again, even though this isn't my territory, I want to give a shout-out to a couple of badasses: Nick Khan and Paul Levesque over at WWE. They've taken on this massive, historical company and made so many huge deals with so many different networks to bring in so many big events.

Jason Calacanis

Are you a WWE or a UFC guy?

Tony Hinchcliffe

I'm both.

Jason Calacanis

You're both. If you had to only go to one—

Tony Hinchcliffe

In fact, since this is the only place where it would be interesting to ever mention it, TKO was the only stock that I ever told my guy—my golf buddy—who, after years of insisting I should give him money to put in stocks, which I never believed in because I'm an Italian poor kid from Youngstown, Ohio, I believed before that just having cash in a shoebox was the way to have money.

But then the only stock I had was TKO because Dana White knows how to put on a hell of a show, and I know that, obviously, WWE is always amazing and always growing. So it's the only one I ever told him to get. And we've seen, you know, whatever. And in my little world—

Jason Calacanis

Did you buy the NVIDIA?

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. Wild success.

David Sacks

Yeah, so unlike JCal, you held the stock.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. Yeah. Great.

Jason Calacanis

And by the way, we had Paul Levesque—Triple H—speak at the All-In Summit.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Oh, I love that. I was just with him. I hung out with him just last night. SmackDown was in Austin.

Jason Calacanis

All right. Each host gets to pick their Disgracia of the Year: the most disgraceful moment, person, company, or trend. [music] Desraad. He was the best guy around. What about the people he murdered? You can act like a man. What did I do? He's just killed little [__] man. You insulted him a little [__]. I'M SMART AND I WANT TO SPIT. WHAT'S WRONG with you? Your hair was in the toilet water. Disgusting. I had to suffocate you. You little It's a disgrace. Disgraciad. All right, discretzia.com.

Tony, whenever you're ready, you can give us yours. But Friedberg, who's your Disgracia?

David Friedberg

The crackdown on speech in Europe: 3,000-plus arrests in the UK for malicious communications—mostly fines, but also incarcerations, including recently calling a convicted rapist a pig, which landed someone in jail. There were 84,000 politically motivated communications crimes in Germany, and 6,000 defined hate crimes based on speech in France.

Across Europe, this has become a major issue. Again, I'll reflect on Gavin Newsom vetoing SB 771 in this state, but we were very close, and I think it's very important that we pay attention to it.

Jason Calacanis

Sacks, that's a really good one. It's a good one. I would agree with that one, but the one I would choose is that, at Stanford, they said that if you're disabled, you get more time on tests and you can kind of be unproctored and kind of—

Accommodations, right? So now 50% of students at Stanford say they're disabled.

And you had a case to make yourself, and you never pulled the Asperger's card. I never pulled that card. But no, this is all part of a piece with grades. Basically, there are no grades anymore, and everyone sort of claims to be disabled in order to get special advantages.

My Disgracia was socialism in New York, my hometown. Absolutely disgraceful. The actual true New Yorkers didn't vote for it, but the people who've been there for under 10 years did overwhelmingly. Disgracia for me.

Tony, who's your Disgracia for 2025?

Tony Hinchcliffe

I'd have to say the people that just cheered that people won't be leaving California next year in this crowd are the Disgracia.

You guys realize there are other places, right? I was guilty of it, too. I lived in L.A. happily for almost 20 years. I loved it. I never really thought I would move to another place. As a touring comedian, you go visit places and you would go back to L.A. That was just the headquarters.

It took so much chaos for me to even try to go to another place and fall in love with it. But when you do try other places, you find that it's better than this, and it's definitely better than this, because L.A. is better than this, and this is just the worst.

And the world, by the way, is laughing at you. Some of you are booing, but you're clearly not the ones making the money off the app that shows you where the shit on the sidewalks is in this hot shit dump that you call home. [laughter] So anyway, you're the Disgracians.

Jason Calacanis

I love it. Bringing the heat. See, I'm a real wrestling fan. I'll do a heel turn right away to win the audience.

Speaker 2

You had them. They loved you for 90 minutes. You were doing so well, you couldn't help yourself.

Jason Calacanis

Burning attack.

Speaker 2

That was not only a heel turn. It was a low blow. It was a chair shot over the head.

Speaker 3

Yes, of the entire audience.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Fuck you, nerds.

Speaker 2

That was not only a heel turn. It was a low blow. It was a chair shot over the head.

Speaker 4

Okay. All right. Listen, this has been absolutely amazing. Let's give it up for the one, the only Tony Hinchcliffe. [applause]

Your friend is unbelievable. I need to thank Tony. Tony, thank you for what you do. [applause] People don't have to agree with your speech. I feel it's really important that comedians act as the flag bearers to keep freedom of speech alive. For all the jokes we can make about the things you say and the way you offend people, I think that pushing the limits is so important. For that, I appreciate what you do and love your work.

Jason Calacanis

Honestly, I think this is the most fun Christmas party we've had.

Speaker 2

Ever.

Jason Calacanis

Ever, and probably the most fun event we've ever had. It's because of Tony here. No question about it. So thank you. [applause]

Tony Hinchcliffe

I'm just kidding, audience. You're not really that much of a Disgracian. [laughter] But I'm walking it back.

Speaker 1

They were with you until that.

Tony Hinchcliffe

Yeah. These nerds are having flashbacks to getting bullied back in the day. You just stuffed them all in the locker, metaphorically.

Speaker 1

We'll see you—

Speaker 2

And we really appreciate all of you coming out tonight.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Thank you guys so much for coming out.

Speaker 1

Honestly, I didn't know what to expect from this. And honestly, this is the most fun we've ever had during an event.

Speaker 2

Happy holiday.

Speaker 1

Thank you to all of you. [applause] Let your winners ride.

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