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(预告)理解 AWS 宕机、韧性现实与创新紧迫性,F1 转向 Apple TV

Andrew SharpBen Thompson

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  • AWS 宕机暴露了云计算的集中化悖论:把一切都放在同一区域,运行更快、更简单,也更不容易出错,但该区域一旦故障,影响半径就会被放大。Ben 的结论是,互联网理论上可能由许多节点组成,但 us-east-1 证明了“实际上一个节点比其他节点都更重要”。

  • Ben 表示,除了“某种 DNS 问题”之外,具体故障原因并不清楚。DNS、寻址以及依赖其上的转换层极难恢复,因为通往某项服务的路径一旦丢失,也可能同时阻断修复它所需的系统;Andrew Sharp 打不开的 Starbucks 应用和无法访问的 The Wall Street Journal 网站,呈现了用户端感受到的现实。

  • us-east-1 成为系统性节点,源于数十年的路径依赖,而非某个单一设计决策。Northern Virginia 同时拥有重要的互联网交换中心、土地、廉价电力、较低的自然灾害风险、连接欧洲和美国西海岸的区位、AOL 时代留下的基础设施以及技术人才;AWS 又通过教程、新设备、更丰富的实例选择、高可用性和低价格进一步强化了这一优势。

  • 互联网底层的韧性,并不保证应用本身具备韧性。分组交换可以绕过受损节点传输数据,但集中数据库和算力、同时依赖认证层的服务,未必能利用这种灵活性:“理论和每个人实际经历到的现实之间存在差异。”

  • 跨区域冗余是最佳实践,但延迟和同步让它远比口号所暗示的更难。应用必须保留一个事实源,同时协调物理距离和网络距离之外的跟随节点、写入与同步;Ben 的概括是,“事物彼此越近,就越容易管理”。

  • Ben 的 Passport 服务躲过了这次事故,因为他在 6或7年前 us-east-1 出过问题后,将其部署到了 us-east-2。他称这一选择“可能多少有点妄想式”,但这周碰巧奏效了。

  • NBA 新的媒体结构证明,对强产品采取不干预策略更受欢迎。NBC 凭基础制作质量赢得好评,主持人则称赞 ESPN 没有动 Inside the NBA;Ben 将这一组合称为更好的“mul​​let 策略”——“前面由 NBC 做生意,后面让 ESPN 回到它该在的地方”。

摘要 · 为研究而整理的核心内容

1. NBC 与 Inside the NBA 重塑观赛产品

  • Ben 对 NBA on NBC 的称赞,核心在于那些显眼却基础的执行:量身制作的开场视频、标志性入场、球员介绍,以及开球前不插广告。NBC 只是在做到“全世界最容易摘的果子”——让观众兴奋地打开比赛。

  • 更大的胜利在于,Inside the NBA 实际接管了 ESPN 的赛后呈现,而比赛仍由 ESPN 播出。比赛结束后不再立刻切到 SportsCenter,Ben 可以继续看下去,让 Kenny Smith、Charles Barkley 和 Shaquille O'Neal 把赛后节目变成“一种体验”。

  • Andrew 说,他没想到自己会如此期待这套新结构,原本还担心 ESPN 会像对待其他节目一样,用大量广告压垮 Inside the NBA。现在他认为,弱化 ESPN 反而是好事。Ben 的说法是,“前面由 NBC 做生意”,ESPN 则负责更松弛的深夜后半场——一套“更迷人的 mullet 策略”。

2. ESPN 通过放弃控制权实现改进

  • Ben 将 TNT 的“叛逆新贵”气质,与 ESPN 的“奢侈品牌山寨版”作对比:看似重要的制作,被最糟糕的画质和乏善可陈的演播室节目拖了后腿。他说,ESPN 推 SportsCenter,是因为它属于廉价内容;过去所有人都看它时,这些内容还能支撑昂贵的广告。

  • 他更尖锐的批评指向编辑取向。ESPN 强势的制作手法更看重交易话题,而不是享受比赛——2019 年雄鹿输给猛龙、抢七结束几分钟后,Giannis Antetokounmpo 就被问到是否会离开密尔沃基,就是一个例子;这条叙事已经被 ESPN 推了 6年。

  • 主持人称赞 ESPN 承诺不动 Inside the NBA,尽管他们起初并不相信这种公司保证。就连 Barkley 搞不清某位电视人物到底效力于哪家电视网——包括前 TNT 场边记者 Ellie LeForge——也说明节目仍在 TNT 的演播室里运作,因为他每天都在那里见到她。

  • Ben 驳斥了 Barkley 等人缺乏电子表格级精准度的批评:“这些是娱乐产品。”犯错本身就可能很好笑,而他们有时能看见数据分析派遗漏的重要真相。他将同样的“娱乐性胜过完美信息”逻辑延伸到 NBA 的回放闹剧上,尽管他仍称其为灾难。Andrew 认同,这档节目更有娱乐性,而且在重要之处“同样有洞察力”。

3. 云计算效率会自然把应用拉进单一区域

  • Ben 将 AWS 区域描述为应用核心所在的位置。多区域部署是最佳实践,但事实源总得放在某个地方,而跨区域协调跟随节点、写入和同步,“是一个极其复杂的问题”。

  • Starbucks 的例子让这种复杂性变得具体:用户可以给余额充值,几秒后打开应用出示余额,转移资金,还要同时涉及接单并制作饮品的咖啡师。“实际上,这一切能运行得这么好,本身就不可思议。”

  • 延迟是“计算领域一切事物的敌人”,部分受限于光速。跨区域,或经由公共互联网在 AWS 与 Azure 之间移动,会增加距离、网络层、变量和故障机会。Andrew 的结论是,把数据库和算力放在一起更便宜;Ben 强调,这样也容易得多,涉及的变量更少。

  • Netflix 展示了哪些环节可以被推向外部:节目上线时,Netflix 会将其预置到本地 ISP 内部的服务器上,而授权和个性化目录仍需传输更远。Ben 的 Passport 难题更棘手,因为 CDN 交付必须与认证层保持同步,由后者证明每个下载者都是 SysTrackery 订户。

4. DNS 故障将理论韧性变成现实崩溃

  • Ben 表示,除了“某种 DNS 问题”之外,具体原因并不清楚。DNS 会把人类可读的名称转换成 IP 地址;在一个包含海量服务器、表格、虚拟机、数据库和转换层的区域内,这些系统必须始终彼此可达。

  • 这种依赖结构也让恢复变得困难。Ben 将其比作家庭网络配置失误:设备失去连接后,只能有人直接接入并重置它;在云计算规模下,“其中某个环节出了问题”,网络专家会第一时间怀疑 DNS。

  • 互联网本身具备韧性,是因为分组交换会将数据拆成独立路由的片段——就像把一个物体“以构成它的全部原子”分别寄出——绕过被摧毁的路径,并在目的地重新组装。然而,集中式应用未必继承这种韧性;Andrew 发现,Starbucks 应用和 The Wall Street Journal 网站都无法访问。

5. Northern Virginia 的优势让 us-east-1 成为默认节点

  • Northern Virginia 拥有早期互联网交换中心、可用土地、相对廉价的电力、较少的自然灾害,以及位于欧洲和美国西海岸之间的有利位置。距离仍然重要,而人口和产业更密集的东北部适合建设数据中心的地点更少。

  • AOL 在 1990年代末的扩张进一步形成了自我强化的集群:数据中心、升级后的电力基础设施、更高的网络密度,以及部分来自联邦政府人才体系的工程师。Ben 称,那是 Northern Virginia 成为“全世界数据中心中心”的时期。

  • 因此,AWS 将其第一个数据中心设在那里,而这座设施后来成为 us-east-1。该区域频繁出现在教程中,率先获得新设备和新功能,并提供最丰富的选择、最大的容量、最高的可用性和最低的价格,最终成为早期云应用的默认选项,并延续了这一领先地位。

  • Ben 选择 us-east-2 部署 Passport,是因为 6或7年前 us-east-1 出过事故后,它看起来像“这颗滴答作响的定时炸弹”。Andrew 最后的问题是:一家私营公司是否会在一次让“天知道损失了多少钱”、波及“天知道多少家公司”的宕机后,接受恢复冗余所需的成本和难度——免费预览到此结束,问题没有答案。

Andrew Sharp

Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Sharp Tech. I’m Andrew Sharp, and on the other line, Ben Thompson. Ben, how are you doing?

Ben Thompson

Better than you, Andrew. As we all know, the NBA championship was decided last night. I am wearing my Bucks polo shirt in celebration of obliterating your Washington Wizards. The season’s over. Give us the ring right now.

Andrew Sharp

The Sharp Tech Bowl.

Ben Thompson

That’s right.

Andrew Sharp

Not a lot of drama in the Sharp Tech Bowl. I was talking to Bill Bishop earlier in the week, and I mentioned that the Wizards were opening with the Milwaukee Bucks. He said, “Are you guys going to have some sort of bet on the game?” And I was like, “Not in a million years will I be betting on the Washington Wizards.”

I’m happy for you. It’s great to see you in the Bucks polo, beaming with joy after Giannis debuts here, turning over a new page after the Brewers’ journey a couple of weeks ago.

Ben Thompson

The Brewers? What are the Brewers? Not familiar—

Andrew Sharp

It’s all about the Bucks these days.

Ben Thompson

I’m not familiar with that team.

Andrew Sharp

That’s exactly right. Here we go. Yes, basketball is back. It’s been a very entertaining 48 hours, and now we have a gambling scandal looming over everything.

Ben Thompson

Now the NBA is truly back.

Andrew Sharp

Indeed.

Ben Thompson

They tried to run the Clippers as the scandal of the year, forgetting that no one cares about the Clippers.

Andrew Sharp

Child’s play.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, so they needed to go with something new. So here we are.

Andrew Sharp

Indeed.

Ben Thompson

Wait, actually, no. I have some comments on the NBA.

Andrew Sharp

Great.

1. NBA on NBC Returns

Ben Thompson

Number 1, like everyone else, I’m thrilled with NBA on NBC. Imagine trying to make a broadcast look good and make people excited about watching a product. What a concept.

They created a video before the game, an iconic sort of entrance. They didn’t run commercials up until the tip; they showed player introductions. The lowest-hanging fruit in the world, NBC delivered. Thumbs up to them. I’m with everyone raving about it.

Andrew Sharp

Amen. I completely agree.

Ben Thompson

However—

Andrew Sharp

What’s your next take?

2. Inside NBA Saves ESPN

Ben Thompson

That was only improvement number 1. In the ranking, it’s actually number 2. Number 1 is—I don’t know how this happened. I mean, I knew it would happen, but I didn’t fully appreciate that the biggest victory in my NBA viewing experience is Inside the NBA basically completely taking over the ESPN presentation. ESPN still does the broadcast themselves.

Andrew Sharp

And salvaging the enterprise by themselves, indeed.

Ben Thompson

It’s unbelievable how bad the ESPN shows were. It really bugged me when a game would end and go straight to SportsCenter, a property that was massively important and valuable in the 1990s.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

What are we doing here? Last night, the games finished. I was working on my update. I had Inside the NBA. They were on fire last night—absolutely hilarious segments—and it was so great.

You know what? It’s an experience. You watch the games, then you go to bed with Kenny, Charles, and Shaq. It was so good. I can’t believe somehow they’re on ESPN.

By the way, there’s something for ESPN to learn from it. The extent to which ESPN is hated is kind of incredible compared to the 1990s, when they were so cool.

Andrew Sharp

Oh, yeah.

Ben Thompson

There’s a bit here where I’m sad we lost TNT, but TNT was kind of like the rebel upstart. That was the whole thing with the studio show. It didn’t feel highly produced, even though it was the best show on television. It was sort of slapstick. You got the late-night cable feel from Inside the NBA.

Andrew Sharp

It was a couple of guys hanging out for an hour after 4 hours of basketball games. It was never more complicated than that.

Ben Thompson

Right. What we got from ESPN was like a luxury-brand knockoff, where they’re trying to present themselves as a big, important broadcaster, but they’re cheaping out on everything. Their camera quality is the worst. Their studio shows were always terrible.

The reason they’re pushing SportsCenter is because it’s cheap content that they used to be able to run really expensive commercials against, because everyone watched it. This was a return—actually, even though it felt so weird to have Inside the NBA on ESPN, it felt like a possible opening for ESPN to remember its roots and go back to being the sports channel for people to hang out on, with crazy stuff happening at 11:00 p.m. at night.

Andrew Sharp

Hmm.

Ben Thompson

And huge thumbs up to me. I’m giving the NBA a lot of grief. It still deserves a lot of grief in many respects, but wow.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

I didn’t appreciate how much it really was ESPN. If ESPN is your prime broadcaster, TNT was still great. ESPN as the backup broadcaster, with the slapdash show and whatnot, and then NBA on NBC—

Andrew Sharp

That can work.

Ben Thompson

Right.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

It’s a mullet strategy with a much more attractive mullet. You have business in the front with NBC. You have ESPN in the back, where they belong. Two thumbs up from me.

Andrew Sharp

I am gonna be writing every week on Sharp Text, a new website called Sharp Text. You can reach the site directly at sharptext.net. Last week I wrote about the trade war. This week I wrote about the NBA's new broadcasting landscape for a post that will publish on Friday, and I talked about why de-emphasizing ESPN is so healthy in the grand scheme of things. Having Inside the NBA there to salvage things on the ESPN side makes the new environment that much better. And so I’m very, very excited as a basketball fan.

I didn’t expect to be this excited about the new broadcasting structure, and I was a little bit worried about Inside the NBA on ESPN, because for the last 20 years, ESPN ruins all its programming by overloading these shows with commercials, so people have 60 or 90 seconds to talk.

Ben Thompson

Well, there’s also such a heavy hand from producers about what to talk about and things like that. We feel this particularly acutely as Bucks fans, when Malika Andrews was pushed by an ESPN producer to ask Giannis, minutes after they lost Game 6 to Toronto in 2019, about his plans to leave for another team.

They’ve pushed this endlessly for the last 6 years. In general, all they focus on is the transaction game, what’s going on there, which is intellectually interesting and such a detriment to actually enjoying the game, which is supposed to be the point.

I have such disdain for ESPN. Basically, the reason Inside the NBA is so great is because it’s so clear that ESPN is not involved at all. They slapped their logos on there, and everything else.

There was even one of the segments last night asking Charles Barkley which TV personality was with which network. One of them was Ellie LeForge, who was the sideline reporter for TNT last year.

Andrew Sharp

Yep.

Ben Thompson

Charles says, “Oh, she’s with us,” and ESPN. No, actually, she’s still with TNT. But Charles is like, “You tricked us,” because they’re still at the TNT studios, right? It’s just—

Andrew Sharp

Ah, yeah, so he’s seeing her every day.

Ben Thompson

That’s right. It’s like—

Andrew Sharp

And he’s down there like, “Wait…”

Ben Thompson

So, yeah. A lesson there.

Andrew Sharp

A plus.

Ben Thompson

Just like that.

Andrew Sharp

A plus to ESPN—

Ben Thompson

That’s right.

Andrew Sharp

—for not ruining a good thing, the greatest studio show of all time. They said all along, “We’re going to leave it untouched, hands off, let them do their show.”

Ben Thompson

But it’s hard to believe them, yeah.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah. Corporate partners say stuff like that all the time. It’s rarely followed through.

Ben Thompson

By the way, I’m going to defend Inside the NBA before we get emails. There’s a certain contingent of NBA Twitter that complains about Inside the NBA: “They don’t know what they’re talking about. All they want to do is throw in the post. They diss current players,” and so on.

Andrew Sharp

Hmm.

Ben Thompson

That totally misses the point. This is the same critique that is applied to Bill Simmons. These are entertainment products.

This applies to the NBA too, with the whole replay fiasco, which is still a disaster. It’s an entertainment product. Being perfect and being able to cite an Excel spreadsheet is not entertaining. It’s funny when they’re wrong.

They sometimes get some stuff really, really right that the nerds miss.

Andrew Sharp

Really right. That’s the important point with both Bill Simmons and Charles Barkley. They often have insights that elude some of the nerdier Excel-sheet crowd.

So, A, it’s more entertaining, and B, I would say it’s equally insightful in terms of what you’re getting.

Ben Thompson

Right about the big things. Your big thing.

Andrew Sharp

There’s a lot of right about the big things coming from the Chuckster. And also, the only sports show that my wife looks forward to is Inside the NBA. So there’s another endorsement for you. But I’m glad that we’re celebrating basketball’s return with a 10-minute intro on the NBA.

Ben Thompson

Oh, we’re gonna be back to ESPN in a little bit. Just hold on.

Andrew Sharp

Indeed, we will. For now, we will start with a killer article that you wrote this week. I really enjoyed the article on Wednesday.

Ben Thompson

I just want to jump in. I appreciate the enthusiasm with which you said this, because I saw the rundown: “You write a killer article.” And the problem is, now that we work together, I’m not sure I can trust anything you say.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

You really turned it up there. You persuaded me, so thank you.

Andrew Sharp

I convinced you it was genuine. Yes. I sat there on Wednesday and was like, “Man, that was really great.” You unified 3 big American stories over the past couple of years, 2 of which dominated discussion over the last 2 weeks. We talked about rare earths on last week’s episode.

So let’s start with the AWS outage, because on Monday, I went to my Starbucks app and found that it was broken. Then I turned my phone on and off 3 times because I thought it must be an iPhone problem. I showed up to Starbucks, and they said, “No, the app’s not working for anyone.”

I finally got my coffee, went to read The Wall Street Journal to prep for a Sharp China episode, and The Wall Street Journal site was down too. That’s how I found out there was an outage that the whole country was dealing with on Monday. So what the hell happened with us-east-1? I had never heard of us-east-1. What’s the proper way to characterize what us-east-1 is? If I’m explaining it to my wife—

Ben Thompson

Oh, boy—

Andrew Sharp

—is it a data center, a data center cluster? What do we go with?

Ben Thompson

Yeah, it’s a data center, even though at this point it’s a massive complex. With these huge cloud servers, you say, “I’m gonna serve my business on AWS.” When you do that, you actually pick what’s called a region.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

That region is where you put the core of your application. Best practices are that you’re in multiple regions, but there has to be a source of truth somewhere, and ideally you’re doing followers and writes and syncs and all that. This is a massively complex problem. It’s really, really hard.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

Think about your Starbucks app. You can be there in line and say, “Oh, crap, my Starbucks balance is low.” You press a button, money gets added, you go to the cashier, and you flash the thing. Within a matter of seconds, there is money changing hands, implicating a barista right there taking your order and making it. The level of speed, low latency, and complexity of this is amazing. It’s actually insane that any of this stuff works as well as it does.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

But even within that, that’s sort of an internet story broadly. The enemy of everything in computing is latency, and you have this challenge: in some respects, you’re governed by the speed of light.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

There are aspects of me being in America where my internet experience is different just because there literally aren’t signals going across the ocean. Stuff like that can certainly matter. But there are also things like the complexity of being on AWS while you have other data on Azure.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

You have to cross over the public internet from AWS’s internal network to Microsoft’s. You can run into challenges there. You see this with Netflix. Netflix puts servers in your local ISPs that actually serve the content.

Andrew Sharp

Right.

Ben Thompson

The thing about the whole Netflix story is that it’s never actually going over the public internet. What’s over the public internet is your authorization and the actual catalog that’s customized to you. But all that is much—

Andrew Sharp

But that’s why Netflix is better at serving content than most of its competitors: because they’ve built out that infrastructure.

Ben Thompson

There’s a real infrastructure, yeah, for sure. Now, all the other competitors’ content is still on CDNs, or content delivery networks. Say, for example, Cloudflare. If you go to your local ISP office, there’s a Netflix rack there. There’s a Netflix box that has all the Netflix shows right there.

They push out new shows when they come out. They’ve spent the last week seeding them all over the world so that when you hit play, it’s just playing down the road. There’s another box in that server, in that rack. That’s a Cloudflare server that holds all your content-delivery stuff. There’s an Amazon one there.

For example, Passport, like this podcast, is going to be hosted on a CDN so that when you hit download, it downloads super fast. It’s close to you, and it’s not getting clogged up by the internet. One of the huge challenges of Passport is that CDNs are much more straightforward and obvious. If you have one piece of content you want to serve to anyone, we want to have—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—an authentication layer on top of it, so you can only download it if you’re a SysTrackery subscriber. There’s a whole level of complexity: How do you actually manage verifying someone? Do they have the right token, X, Y, Z? Then you have to deliver the content that’s close to them, keep this all in sync, and manage it. It’s devilishly difficult.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

So anyhow, within the overall cloud, you have AWS as a whole, and then you have regions. If you’re within a region, having all your stuff in the region is going to operate better and be easier because it’s closer together physically. It’s also closer together from a network-topology standpoint. You’re jumping through fewer hoops. You’re not crossing into—

Even if it’s AWS-to-AWS, they might have dedicated fiber that goes between their things. But every time you go up a level as far as networking goes, you’re introducing latency and complexity. It’s getting harder. As a rule of thumb, the closer things are together, the easier it is to manage, and the fewer variables you’re dealing with, the fewer problems you’re likely to have.

Now, within regions—

Andrew Sharp

Okay, that’s interesting. From your article, my takeaway was that it’s cheaper to have it all in one place, but it also sounds like it’s just more efficient and you’ll have fewer errors if you have it all centralized.

Ben Thompson

Oh, it’s so much easier. Managing multiple clouds is hard. Even within a cloud, managing multiple regions is hard. Now, within a region, there can then be individual data centers, and that’s sort of abstracted away.

I think Amazon probably has super-high-level plans—I don’t know. This is beyond the realm of my knowledge. They probably have certain even higher-level plans or whatever, where you can guarantee that stuff’s close, even closer together than just—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—being in the same region. But basically, the long and short of it is that by far the easiest and most resilient, to use a word, way to build an application is to have it all in one region. Your databases are there, your compute is there, everything is in one place, and it can sort of work together.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

And so us-east-1 is a region of AWS. AWS has tens of, maybe even hundreds of regions. It’s important that you have laws about where data has to be located. This is a big thing in Europe, right? Data has to be in Europe. It has to be in—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

But you also want failover regions. You don’t want all your data in one place, because what if that place gets hit by a nuclear bomb, a natural disaster, or whatever it might be?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

You need it elsewhere. Or what if the region goes down? What happened here isn’t clear, other than that it’s some sort of DNS issue. If you think networking is hard, this extra-hard part of networking is DNS.

Andrew Sharp

DNS. Here we go.

Ben Thompson

DNS is basically domain name service. If you type amazon.com, amazon.com is meaningless. What happens is that you go to a DNS server that translates amazon.com to an IP number.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

The most-used ones are IPv4. There’s also IPv6, but there’s IPv4, which is that string of 4 numbers, like 192.168.1.0. Now, that’s usually your home, or then we get into NATs and what all that means.

Andrew Sharp

I know. How deep down the rabbit hole do we want to go?

Ben Thompson

Yeah, but basically, if you have the Amazon IP address, you could just type it into your browser, and it would get there. But there’s a human-translatable aspect here.

But actually, all that NAT stuff is important because there was a huge scare a while ago. The reason why you have IPv6 is that IPv4 is limited; there are only so many numbers. It's 10 to the power of 12.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

I think, for every device in the world—every device has its own IP address. My computer has 2 IP addresses: one for the Wi-Fi and one for the network connection. My house alone has hundreds of devices with IP addresses. What happened—

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

It was this crazy hack called NAT. Basically, I have a router that sits facing the internet and gets the incoming connection. Then, within it, it creates a network inside the house and redistributes IP addresses. So your—

Andrew Sharp

Mm.

Ben Thompson

Your computer's IP address could be the same as my computer's, and it doesn't matter because they're on different NATs. Anyhow, the problem is within—when you think about us-east-1, this huge data center with a gazillion servers, all of which need their own IP addresses.

Andrew Sharp

IP addresses. Yeah.

Ben Thompson

There are all these tables and translation layers happening, so I can sit here in my office on my laptop and access something that ultimately resides inside a database within a virtual machine in Northern Virginia, or whatever it might be.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

Something in that got screwed up.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

Easy to screw up, by the way. I'm sure Amazon will be looking—

Andrew Sharp

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often—

Ben Thompson

—to see what happened and how this happened.

Andrew Sharp

Frankly.

Ben Thompson

But as soon as they said, “Oh, something went down,” everyone involved with networking probably assumed, “Oh, it might be a DNS issue.” They say it's a DNS issue. Yeah, that makes sense.

It's very hard to recover from because there are all sorts of dependencies. Even with home networking, if you screw up something with an IP address, you can't reach the device. You have to go to the device and connect to it directly to reset it. There's DHCP; it's a whole thing. I'm doing home networking with DHCP, but—

Andrew Sharp

When that happens for me, I call Ben, and Ben walks me through it. I'm not really sophisticated enough to handle a problem like that.

Ben Thompson

Right.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, it's really complex. It's really difficult, and you can see how problems like this happen. What's interesting—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—and this is sort of the point of the article—is how broadly impactful a problem like this ended up being.

Andrew Sharp

Totally.

Ben Thompson

US East 1 is actually really interesting historically. You go back to the early ’90s, and the internet is just becoming a thing. The internet starts as ARPANET, this military project. The myth around the internet is that it was created to avoid a nuclear attack. That's—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—actually not true. It was created because there were very few supercomputers in the world back then. A supercomputer then was slower than your Apple Watch today.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

They wanted to give more researchers access to it without having to be physically there. So the initial internet—

Andrew Sharp

So widely dispersed was the goal.

Ben Thompson

Well, no, it was just to get access to computing, which is actually—

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

—cloud computing today. So you could access it. Now, along the way, where the nuclear story comes in is that it was a motivation for the creation of what's called packet switching. Instead of there being a serial connection, where you have to have a direct connection to a computer and send the data as a stream of bits, the way data—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—is actually distributed on the internet is that it's all chopped up into packets, and all those packets are sent individually. Imagine if I'm mailing you something. Instead of mailing you a big box with the whole thing, I send the box in all its constituent atoms.

Andrew Sharp

Great.

Ben Thompson

They're very small, and they can all make it. If any one gets blocked—

Andrew Sharp

A billion little boxes on my doorstep.

Ben Thompson

Yeah. It just—

Andrew Sharp

Yep.

Ben Thompson

—it routes around automatically. It finds another way there because it's all interconnected. Even if the path is longer, it can still get there. Then, when it gets to your house, it reconstitutes itself into an object. That's how—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—the internet works. A motivation for the creation of packet switching was, in fact, the nuclear threat. That's where the internet's nuclear story comes in. Back in the day, the original ARPANET was sort of serial: send it directly. If one of the nodes got bombed, you couldn't route it.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

After packet switching, you could sort of route around. This is one of the many truths and myths about the internet: It is highly resilient. It can survive a nuclear attack. As long as something is connected, stuff can get through.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

The theme here, though, and what we saw this week, is that the internet is, in theory, resilient. If you want to be one of the Excel spreadsheet guys who are mad at Chuck and Kenny, it is resilient. But sometimes there's a difference between theory and the actual experienced reality of everyone.

When you were at Starbucks trying to access The Wall Street Journal to prep for Shark Tank China—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—the internet was not feeling very resilient to you.

Andrew Sharp

Life came at me fast. Indeed. Well, my question, reading the article and reading this portion of the article specifically—

Ben Thompson

Oh, sorry, I didn't finish my history of US East 1. Do you want some more?

Andrew Sharp

Okay. Well, I've driven out there a lot, and it's unbelievable how many data centers have popped up over the last 15 years in Northern Virginia. But this is the big mama data center, so, yeah, give me more US East 1 history.

3. Northern Virginia Became Essential

Ben Thompson

As they're building out the internet, there is a major exchange that was built in because of Washington, D.C., I think almost certainly. You had these initial laydowns of—I don't even know if it was fiber back then, whatever they were using to sort of—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

Because what happens is, when you connect, my laptop connects to my Wi-Fi access point. My Wi-Fi access point is connected to my router. My router is connected to my ISP, and then it makes its way out onto the public internet.

There are basically these big pipes that—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—interconnect. There's a specific name for them. It makes its way to one of the big pipes. It's going to Washington, D.C., probably to this internet exchange, and then it's going to your local ISP and filtering down to where you're at right now. Again, it's a miracle any of this works. And so—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—there was this internet exchange that was built there, number one. Number two, you had land and pretty cheap power, particularly back in the early ’90s. You also had a region that doesn't get that many natural disasters. You guys get a hurricane maybe once every—

Andrew Sharp

We do have that going for us.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, but—

Andrew Sharp

Some pretty rough summers. The humidity can feel like a natural disaster every now and then.

Ben Thompson

No, but that doesn't count.

Andrew Sharp

I'm just kidding.

Ben Thompson

We're talking about hurricanes.

Andrew Sharp

But—

Ben Thompson

We're talking about earthquakes. We're talking about—

Andrew Sharp

Right.

Ben Thompson

—tornadoes. And so it was good. That's actually a really important consideration because you don't want your data center to go up in a tornado.

Andrew Sharp

Yep.

Ben Thompson

But then also, the geographic location: It's right in the middle between Europe and the West Coast.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

So you have—remember, distance matters. So if you're going—

Andrew Sharp

That was what was fascinating from your article. You wouldn't want to put it in the middle of the country—

Ben Thompson

Right.

Andrew Sharp

—if you're also trying to serve Europe.

Ben Thompson

In the Northeast, it's kind of hard to build there, right? It's so built out. We see this with Amtrak, right? Amtrak got a new train. Congratulations. It's just marginally slower than the old one.

Andrew Sharp

It's slower.

Ben Thompson

Because that's a track issue, right?

Andrew Sharp

We're doing great in this country.

Ben Thompson

That's right. Well, it's super dense up there. It's hard to build. Northern Virginia had space. You had this interchange there, and it was close, you know? And so you had—

Andrew Sharp

And I never knew that, just for the record. I always assumed that the reason the data centers were out there was exclusively because of proximity to the federal government, and that's why it was set up that way. But the latency point—that's why I enjoyed that emphasis from you.

Ben Thompson

Well, so there is a Washington Wizards tie-in.

Andrew Sharp

I'm aware.

Ben Thompson

What happened—

Andrew Sharp

AOL, baby.

Ben Thompson

—in the late ’90s is a company called AOL—

Andrew Sharp

We used to be the center of all this shit back in 1996, or earlier.

Ben Thompson

And now Ted Leonsis owns the Wizards and managed at AOL as well. So, actually, AOL is a great company.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah. They had a nice run.

Ben Thompson

They had a nice run. That's a good way to put it—a better run than the Wizards ever had.

AOL was established in Northern Virginia. It sort of establishes this space as data center central. They were the biggest internet company in the late '90s. They had a huge build-out, and you get this sort of network density—not just of the data centers and things like that, but power was built up to support this. The grid was built up to support this.

You have all the pieces that go into it, and you start getting people. There are a lot of infrastructure engineers in Northern Virginia. Some of them were there for the federal government, for sure. That was certainly true, so you had a talent base to start. AOL really accelerated this and basically made Northern Virginia the center of the world as far as data centers go.

So when Amazon comes along and says, "We're going to establish this thing called AWS," which no one really understood or appreciated how important it was, there was only one place to put the first data center. That was in—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

Northern Virginia. That data center is US East 1. It's where everyone who started at AWS went. Every tutorial that was created about creating a server on Amazon talks about US East 1.

US East 1 got all the new equipment. When Amazon launched new instances—an instance is basically a type of compute you want—you could get a basic instance with an Intel processor. There are the Graviton processors. All these have different memory configurations and different amounts of reserved capacity. There are a gazillion options. All of this—the most options, the newest features, the largest number, the highest availability, and the lowest prices because there's just a bunch there—has always been—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

US East 1. So the default place to build anything, particularly anything that was built early on—and remember, back then there was just AWS for a long time before Azure came along, before GCP came along—was US East 1.

And it's funny because Passport did not go down—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

because we're on US East 2, specifically because US East 1 has always been this ticking time bomb. There was a US East 1 issue six or seven years ago, right before we started Passport, and I said—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

I'm like, "No, we're not going to be on US East 1."

Andrew Sharp

There you go.

Ben Thompson

Which is probably somewhat delusional. It worked out this week. But, yeah, it's just one of those things: it's cheaper, it's the default, it's what you do. It's just the center of the internet world.

And, yeah, the internet is a bunch of nodes, and any one node can go out. But the actual—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

experience, again, to go back to you in line at Starbucks, is that one node is actually more important than the rest of them.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah, and everybody's on US East 1—or it felt like it on Monday morning, certainly. My question is, obviously, this is cheaper, it's more efficient, and everything is set up on US East 1. Your article was about the erosion of resiliency that's resulted from the present-day state of affairs and some of the tough choices that might need to be made across a couple of different industries in order to build that resiliency back in.

With this particular situation, though, we're talking about private companies. How does that dynamic change? Are they basically scared straight after an incident like Monday, which cost God knows how much money to God knows how many companies?