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(Preview) Meta Doubles Down on Smart Glasses, Nvidia Partners with Intel, Notes on the Hidden YouTube Colossus

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TL;DR
  • Ben Thompson’s core call is that Meta’s $799 Ray-Ban Display matters less for its screen than for the Meta Neural Band bundled with it. The wristband reads electrical signals, enabling discreet gestures or even writing with a hand inside a pocket—an input breakthrough he sees as essential to augmented reality. Having previously tested it, Thompson said, “I have 100 percent confidence that this is going to work.”
  • Shipping on September 30 at $799 moves Meta’s glasses effort from expensive prototype toward a manufacturable consumer platform. Thompson expected a four-figure price and said his “jaw literally dropped” at $799; Meta might be “taking a bath,” but after spending $100 billion on Reality Labs, subsidizing initial adoption could build demand, improve yields, and amortize tooling.
  • The product’s severe constraints may be an advantage because Meta is not trying to rebuild the phone on users’ faces. It connects to iOS or Android, offers a small collection of Facebook/Meta-specific experiences, and even limits maps to walking directions, yet Thompson argues the eventual interface should be “AI-dominated”: contextual information appearing when needed instead of users navigating conventional apps.
  • Meta can use early customers to discover the category’s beachhead rather than pretend it already knows the killer use case. Thompson thinks existing Ray-Ban glasses sold better than expected, while Oakley models and a centered camera make sports a possible focus. The objective is a few indispensable experiences—not “a collection of crap and people trying to dig through and find the jewels.”
  • Andrew Sharp’s adoption pushback is that useful features still may not justify changing entrenched behavior. A nonglasses wearer must accept something on his face for roughly six hours of battery life, he thinks, with a 30-hour battery life for the case, while captions and live translation solve situations he rarely encounters. Thompson’s answer is that Meta may only be targeting “100,000 units or something like that,” leaving skeptics outside the initial market by design.
  • Both hosts admire Meta’s ambition while conceding that success could normalize pervasive surveillance. Sharp called mainstream adoption dystopian if everyone can record conversations; Thompson agreed the issue is “under-discussed, under-appreciated,” probably “inevitable and inescapable,” and something he hates. They similarly resisted Zuckerberg’s vision that VR becomes the future of television because individualized headsets displace watching a shared screen with friends.
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1. The Neural Band supplies the interface smart glasses were missing

  • Meta’s Ray-Ban Display, available September 30 for $799, puts a screen in the right lens for messages, video calls, directions, AI results, live captions, and translation. Users can pinch to select, slide a thumb across a gripped hand to swipe, double-tap for Meta AI, or twist a hand in midair to change volume.

  • Sharp initially dismissed the promised ability to handwrite words “in the air” as useless. Thompson’s explanation was the episode’s pivotal reveal: because the band detects electrical signals at the wrist, users can write with a hand inside a pocket—quietly replying on a subway without speaking aloud or visibly gesturing.

  • Thompson framed today’s alternatives as camera-based hand tracking, exemplified by Vision Pro and Oculus, or a physical controller. The band offers “augmented input” to accompany augmented display: “You can be looking at something and no one knows, and you can also be interacting with something and no one knows.”

  • His confidence comes from direct experience. The technology failed on his wrist several years ago, when he was told that different wrist types could be challenging, but worked perfectly when he tried it again last year; that reversal underpins his categorical claim that the interface works.

2. Every computing paradigm needs a native control system

  • Thompson’s historical analogy: PCs paired mouse and keyboard, the iPod had its wheel, and the iPhone made multitouch foundational. Pre-iPhone smartphones offered users miniature keyboards or styluses; smart glasses likewise need an interface native to their physical context rather than one inherited from another device.

  • Vision Pro illustrates the cost of getting input wrong. Thompson said Mike Rockwell viewed weak Siri performance as a serious product constraint because the fallback—“pecking on a virtual keyboard in the air”—was miserable, helping explain why an executive with direct frustration over Siri eventually took charge of that team.

  • Sharp’s pushback remained practical: even invisible pocket-writing requires new muscle memory, while a phone is already better for composing text. Thompson called that a V1 objection—“You have to start somewhere”—and argued that shipping a credible native interface is momentous even before it beats the phone broadly.

  • Voice alone cannot resolve the problem because it is socially disruptive and “modal”: a person walking around dictating messages appears to be talking to himself. The wristband’s value is therefore not merely precision but discretion, making everyday public use more plausible.

3. The $799 price turns an experiment into a manufacturing program

  • Thompson had assumed glasses bundled with the band would cost well into four figures, especially after Orion, a standalone prototype he said was still years away, with current thinking perhaps pointing to 2027, required its own computer, cellular capability, and an external brick. “My jaw literally dropped when he said 799.”

  • Meta might be “taking a bath” on each unit, but Thompson welcomed the aggression: after roughly $100 billion spent on Reality Labs, “what’s a few billion dollars more” to establish a user base? He sees the band as Meta’s proprietary advantage because neither Apple nor Google has demonstrated an equivalent, while conceding Apple may have undisclosed work.

  • Shipping itself lowers cost. Thompson’s simple tooling example: a $1 million investment spread across 1 million devices adds $1 each; across 10 million devices, only $0.10. Repetition also improves process efficiency and yields, reducing the number of partially finished items manufacturers must discard: “Making stuff makes it cheaper.”

  • Sharp added a supply-chain caveat: an FT report described Meta’s reliance on Chinese supplier Goertek. His broader point was that PRC manufacturing expertise lets cutting-edge electronics reach consumers at prices like $799; Thompson agreed Apple helped build a capability ecosystem from which the entire electronics industry now benefits.

4. Product limitations protect Meta from building a worse phone

  • Unlike Orion, Ray-Ban Display depends on an iOS or Android phone and runs a tightly constrained set of Facebook/Meta-specific experiences. Its maps appear to use OpenStreetMap or similar data and provide walking rather than driving directions; Thompson considers that narrowness “a good thing,” not an embarrassing absence.

  • His warning is that rebuilding “a phone on your face” is a trap Apple and Google may be especially liable to enter. Vision Pro’s support for iPad apps offered immediate inventory but also embedded experiences not optimized for the new medium; Meta, starting from zero, must build only what fits the interface.

  • Thompson expects the long-run product to be “AI-dominated,” with just-in-time information replacing app navigation. A user might leave home and automatically see the relevant route because the system may already know the destination—an ambient layer that sees what the wearer sees and requires little explicit interaction.

  • The phone remains the ultimate app platform: powerful, connected, and large enough to do almost anything. These glasses should therefore sell as an addition that performs a few tasks uniquely well, “not so you can get a worse version of a phone that happens to strap to your face.”

5. Meta needs a beachhead before it can claim the future of phones

  • Thompson compared the launch strategy with his own subscription rollout: Stratechery first offered two posts weekly, then made more frequent writing available by subscription rather than taking away existing access. New hardware should similarly make users feel they are gaining something desirable, not accepting inferior replacements for capabilities they already have.

  • Shipping lets Meta observe who buys, who abandons the glasses, and what persistent wearers actually do. Thompson thinks existing Ray-Ban models sold better than expected; he also noted Oakley releases, an explicit sports focus, and a centered camera as reasons sports might become the category’s beachhead, much as health and fitness became central to Apple Watch.

  • Sharp argued habit change demands a product that is dramatically better, particularly for someone who does not already wear glasses. He said the device may provide roughly six hours of battery life, he thinks, plus a 30-hour battery life for the case; live translation is “really, really cool,” but he cannot imagine enough occasions to use it.

  • Thompson replied that Meta need not convert Sharp yet. An initial target of “100,000 units or something like that” can be reached without skeptics like him, letting Meta find an additive, aspirational use case and layer on capabilities over time. The dry “Display” name appropriately “underpromises with the potential to overdeliver.”

6. The technological upside arrives with an unresolved social cost

  • Zuckerberg’s framing—augmented reality as the future of phones and virtual reality as the future of TVs—split the hosts. Thompson considered whether glasses could extend mobile computing from pulling out a device to merely shifting one’s eyes, but said phone replacement remains “a long time away.”

  • Both rejected VR television as a desirable default. Thompson called it “a little bit of a Bugman world,” imagining himself in a little hovel escaping to a different reality; Sharp preferred a large television, couch, and friends watching together rather than everyone occupying an individualized reality.

  • Sharp’s deeper objection was dystopian: if Meta succeeds, these glasses could become ubiquitous recording devices. Thompson fully agreed, extending the concern to always-listening AI pendants and noting that even non-display glasses can amplify nearby speech—useful in noise, but potentially socially inappropriate and, as Sharp joked, an “age-dropping” tool.

  • Their final tension stayed unresolved: Sharp saluted Meta for shipping boldly, accepting live-demo mistakes, and persisting despite years of criticism, yet feared the world created if that ambition pays off. Thompson’s blunt conclusion on the privacy tradeoff: “It’s probably inevitable and inescapable, and I hate it.”

Andrew Sharp

Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Sharp Tech. I'm Andrew Sharp, and on the other line, Ben Thompson. Ben, how are you doing?

Ben Thompson

Doing well. Glad you decided to show up again after we kicked your Commanders' rear end last week.

Andrew Sharp

A very humbling night last week at Lambeau Field, yes. This is why I'm not a Commanders fan. I'm a liberated NFL fan, not bound to any team, and it's a much better way to experience that sport and probably any sport, I would say.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, living a life without commitment. It's very sad.

Andrew Sharp

That's true.

Ben Thompson

I'm glad you've rationalized that to yourself.

Andrew Sharp

Indeed. Well, you're in Wisconsin now and not in Menlo Park. You don't have a pair of smart glasses on. How are you holding up in this time of FOMO?

Ben Thompson

Very disappointed in myself. I just dropped the ball on multiple angles here. I had committed to go to New York to do this YouTube thing, which I don't regret. I think we'll get to that in a little bit.

And so I'm like, "Oh, how am I going to make it to the West Coast for a Wednesday keynote?" By the way, Meta, can we do keynotes earlier in the week? They always do them on Wednesdays and Thursdays. Very difficult for me—

Andrew Sharp

Inconvenient—

Ben Thompson

—personally.

Andrew Sharp

—for the Stratechery publishing schedule.

Ben Thompson

Right. Apple does it on Mondays—

Andrew Sharp

Note to Mark.

Ben Thompson

—and Tuesdays, okay?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

And so I'm like, "Oh, I'll have to make sure to watch it. 5:00 PM Pacific?"

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

What a weird time to have a keynote. I guess you could sit around your living room as your evening entertainment and watch Mark Zuckerberg onstage.

Andrew Sharp

Well, they're trying to make this cool, Ben. They're trying to make these glasses cool, so start it later in the day and have sort of a festival atmosphere for people. I understand the thinking. That's part of the deal here.

Ben Thompson

Yeah. I'm just annoyed because I realized I—

Andrew Sharp

You could have made it—

Ben Thompson

—there, and I could have tried them out. But I did not. I've not tried them. I can only view from afar and draw on my experience with Orion—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—which was sort of my thinking. I'm like, "They're not going to launch something like this for a while. It's fine. I kind of know what's going on." Anyhow, yeah, I do have FOMO. I have not tried them out, but I'm excited.

Andrew Sharp

But we're going to talk about them.

Ben Thompson

It's cool they exist.

1. Meta Unveils Display Glasses

Andrew Sharp

For anybody who missed it, on Wednesday evening in Menlo Park, Meta unveiled its first version of smart glasses with a built-in screen. The Meta Ray-Ban Display will be in stores September 30 and will sell for $799. This is the first version of smart glasses with a built-in screen that will be available for any of us to purchase beginning September 30. The right lens—

Ben Thompson

Well, unless you count Google Glass.

Andrew Sharp

What's that?

Ben Thompson

But yes, unless you count Google Glass back in the day.

Andrew Sharp

Yes. I miss the Google Glass era, but Google Glass was sort of the forefather to all of this. The right lens on the glasses features a screen that can show text messages, video calls, turn-by-turn directions in Maps, and visual results from queries to Meta's AI service.

And per a rundown from Mark Gurman at Bloomberg, the glasses also introduce a new control system. While users can still swipe along the frame as with previous models, the primary interface is now hand gestures detected by a neural wristband strapped around the wearer's dominant hand. The user can select items by pinching their thumb and index finger, swipe through items by sliding a thumb across their gripped hand, double-tap their thumb to invoke Meta's AI voice assistant, or twist their hand midair to adjust music volume and other controls.

In addition to app interactions and the ability to handle AI queries, the glasses include a live-caption feature that displays spoken words in real time, including translations similar to closed captions on a TV. The video-calling function lets wearers see the person they're speaking with while sharing their own point of view. Users can reply to texts by sending an audio recording or dictating a response. Later this year, the wristband will add another option: handwriting words in the air. That last feature sounds incredibly useless, but I guess potentially cool.

Ben Thompson

What are you talking about?

Andrew Sharp

Handwriting words in the air?

Ben Thompson

I'm sorry—you... No. Okay, I don't think you grasp why this is a big deal and why it's very exciting.

Andrew Sharp

I clearly don't, because I read it and I was like, "Why'd they even include that in the rundown?" But sure, tell me.

Ben Thompson

So in this world, assume you're wearing a pair of smart glasses, which I'm sure you'll be doing on day one.

Andrew Sharp

Oh, yeah. September 30.

Ben Thompson

How do you expect to communicate while wearing them?

Andrew Sharp

Using my words.

Ben Thompson

So you're going to be on the subway, replying to a message, mumbling like a crazy man?

Andrew Sharp

Oh, I see. So if I'm in mixed company, I can't be talking and dictating text messages like a psychopath. I still feel like you would look as ridiculous if you're handwriting words in the air with the glasses on. But I guess maybe that's better.

2. The Neural Band Changes Input

Ben Thompson

Why are you handwriting words in the air? No, this is the key thing. Sorry, I'll stop stringing you along. The key thing about this announcement, beyond just the fact that they shipped something with a screen, is the Neuralink bracelet.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

You can have your hand in your pocket, and you can be writing letters. No one knows what you're doing. You should not be anchored on the Vision Pro, where the Vision Pro has incredible gesture control, but that is a function of the cameras seeing your hands. The two options to date have been, number one, you have cameras that view your hands. The Vision Pro does it very well. Oculus does it as well, the latest models. Or you have a controller where you actually have a physical item in your hand that you're manipulating.

Andrew Sharp

Right.

Ben Thompson

So those have been the two options for input to date. The Neuralink bracelet detects the electrical signals in your wrist to determine what you're doing.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

And it works. I actually used it a few years ago. It didn't work for me, and they were saying at the time that there are just different wrist types, so sometimes it's harder to do. I used it again last year, and it worked perfectly.

So I have 100% confidence that this is going to work. I think they might have had the handwriting working last year. I feel like I tried it. But regardless—

Andrew Sharp

And when you tried it, was it something that you could envision yourself doing on a regular basis?

Ben Thompson

I think you're a skeptic. I really don't think—

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

—you’re grasping this.

Andrew Sharp

If they had put that in the copy or in this German story from Bloomberg, I still probably would have looked at it as useless, but less useless than handwriting words in the air the way I was imagining when I read the story.

Ben Thompson

No, this is... The Neuralink bracelet is the big deal here. Every new paradigm needs a new user interface, and one of the challenges with the whole glasses paradigm is—and one of the challenges for Apple with Vision Pro—it was actually one of the reasons why Mike Rockwell, who led the Vision Pro, was very eager to fix Siri. He felt very limited and constrained by the fact that Vision Pro was dependent on Siri for input in a major way, and it sucked.

From what I've heard, he was very frustrated with the team and had tons and tons of feedback. That's one of the reasons why he's now in charge of the team, even though he's an executive who gets stuff done. He was also an executive at Apple who had a very real interest and frustration and a deep, tangible sense of understanding of why Siri sucking was a problem for other products.

With the phone, Siri sucking was whatever. You just type on the phone. If you have the Vision Pro, the alternative is pecking on a virtual keyboard in the air, which sucks.

So there was a real issue with the lack of Siri on the Vision Pro. But the issue isn't just how well it works. It could work perfectly, and you're still going to have the issue that the allure of something like this is that you can use it when you're out and about. It is augmented reality. You can be looking at the real world and getting information as you go. The problem is, what's the input method?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

And all new paradigms come up with a new input method. Steve Jobs walked through this. At the original iPhone event, he said, “Well, you know, the PC had the mouse and the keyboard, and the iPod had the wheel.” I think the iPod was probably elevated a little past its purpose there, but to Apple it was very important.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

It is certainly a very important thing in terms of the iPhone. The iPhone was multitouch—the idea that you use your fingers. You go back to the smartphones before, and you had 2 alternatives. You had a keyboard that you pecked away at, and you’re a big BlackBerry fan, so I know you get that one.

Andrew Sharp

Absolutely.

Ben Thompson

Or you had a stylus. And he said, “Why do we need a stylus when we have a stylus built in?” Our fingers.

Andrew Sharp

Our fingers.

Ben Thompson

Right?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

And so that was critical to the entire smartphone paradigm. You could make the whole thing a screen, get all that functionality, but still get all the input methods that you need. And to be fair to you, there were a lot of skeptics at the time about people touching a screen to type when they could just use a keyboard, right? You and Steve Ballmer were really not seeing the vision.

Andrew Sharp

Oh, God.

Well, listen, I hear you. And honestly, when you were describing it, I was thinking to myself, “Well, maybe that’s just muscle memory that we’ll all develop, and everybody’s going to be sitting together on the subway drawing letters in their pockets, and that’s how we’ll communicate.” At the same time, a phone is just better at that right now. And so I would say unless this is a standalone device that replaces the phone, I can't imagine very many people using this sorts of technology.

Ben Thompson

You’re such a hater. You’re out here taking V1, saying no one can use it—

Andrew Sharp

Just asking fair questions.

Ben Thompson

No, you have to start somewhere. The reason why this is momentous, and the reason why I found the price shocking—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—is I did not realize that the Meta Neural Band—there’s—you could actually go buy glasses that project your phone into your field of vision.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

That’s actually not a new thing. To do it in the way that they’ve done it, I talked to someone who was there, and they said it’s dramatically smaller and much more socially acceptable than the Orion glasses were.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

I thought the Orion glasses were fairly impressive. They weren’t as bad as I expected them to be.

Andrew Sharp

I mean, they blew your mind last year, but they were also, what, $3,000 or something crazy?

Ben Thompson

No, probably more than that, and they were years out. I think the current thought is 2027, maybe. And again, that’s why I didn’t fly out there. I’m like, “Well, I’ve already seen what’s coming, and it’s not here yet.”

Andrew Sharp

It’s going to be a couple years.

Ben Thompson

Yeah. So I’m very interested to compare what this is like to that, but the key is the input method, and the Neuralink bracelet was clearly—

Andrew Sharp

The neural band.

Ben Thompson

—a key to Orion.

Andrew Sharp

The Meta Neural Band is what they’re calling it.

Ben Thompson

They’ve changed the name a few times.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, they acquired this company called Control Labs 4 or 5 years ago that had actually developed this core technology, and I’m telling you, it works. It’s augmented input, which is a key component of augmented reality.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

The idea is you have a display that is additive to your real-world experience. The problem with voice input is it’s disruptive. It’s a modal sort of situation where you’re just walking along the street or you’re out and about, and you start talking to yourself.

Andrew Sharp

“Who’s that guy talking to himself?”

Ben Thompson

There’s—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, and so that’s always been a problem and a hang-up. This idea that you can be looking at something and no one knows, and you can also be interacting with something and no one knows, is pretty critical to making this category work. What shocked and surprised me is that this aspect of it was deemed ready to ship, and ready to ship at a $799 price point.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

Now, I don’t know—

Andrew Sharp

$800 is unbelievable. How are they making that happen?

Ben Thompson

They might be taking a bath on it, which I don’t mind. I think this is interesting and compelling, and if you’re going to—look, they’ve spent $100 billion on Reality Labs. What’s a few billion dollars more to actually start getting this out there and start building something out to get that core user base?

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

And this input method is what they have that no one has. Apple hasn’t shown anything like this. Apple doesn’t show stuff until they’re ready, so who knows? Maybe they have something similar. Google hasn’t shown this. But I like it. I love the aggressiveness. I don’t mind if they’re taking a bath. I don’t know what their bill of materials is.

By the way, another way to get the bill of materials down is to start shipping stuff, to start getting it out there.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

And these are very limited. Orion was a full-on phone replacement.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

It had its own computer. That’s why you had the external brick, and it had cellular and all those sorts of things. You could use Orion and not need a phone. But the parts of the Orion experience that I found compelling as a demo, but not interesting in terms of the long term, were the parts of the experience that aped the iPhone.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

They had an Instagram app on there. I’m like, “I could just look at Instagram on my phone.” And there’s a bit where it’s not augmented reality. It’s taking over too much of my face.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

The whole point is to—

Andrew Sharp

It’s ambient.

Ben Thompson

Exactly. The whole point is to experience the real world.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

3. Limited Apps Keep Glasses Focused

Ben Thompson

These are very limited. They connect to your smartphone—iOS and Android. The number of apps is very limited. They’re all Facebook apps. Even the Maps app in here isn’t Google Maps. It’s not Waze. I have a Waze aside we could get to.

Andrew Sharp

Oh, boy. Can’t wait.

Ben Thompson

They’re using OpenStreetMap or whatever. It’s only doing walking directions. It’s not doing driving directions. They’re all Facebook-specific apps that tie into the Facebook app, and they can use the limited bandwidth and capabilities. Apple allows background apps, and Android allows background apps. It’s very constrained.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

I think that’s a good thing.

Andrew Sharp

Why?

Ben Thompson

I actually think that’s an advantage because I think you’re going to make progress on this front not by trying to rebuild a phone on your face. I think that’s a trap.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

And it’s a trap that I think Apple and Google are liable to fall into. I think Apple fell into that with the Vision Pro by supporting iPad apps. I see the allure on day 1 when you don’t have any developers. You have—

Andrew Sharp

You need some apps.

Ben Thompson

—a bunch of app experiences.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

Right. But the problem is it’s sort of a shortcut that you’re building in for everyone into the experience that’s not fully optimized for what it is. Facebook has to start from zero, and they have to deliver experiences that are constrained, that make sense for the user interface and nothing more.

I think in the long run, the core of any experience like this has to be AI-dominated, where AI is figuring out and showing you what you need when you need it. It’s not a navigation paradigm. It’s not going to an app and doing X, Y, Z.

Andrew Sharp

In other words—

Ben Thompson

It’s the sort of—

Andrew Sharp

The future of this product is you walk outside your house, and the AI senses where you are and asks, “Do you want directions to where you’re going?” That sort of thing.

Ben Thompson

Right, or even—

Andrew Sharp

So you don’t even have to use the Neural Band in that scenario.

Ben Thompson

Or it already knows where you’re going, and it sort of just pops up, and it’s there—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—and it’s like, “Go, go X, Y, Z.” Yeah, definitely. Apple’s moving to this with the Siri watch faces. The idea is that it sort of brings stuff up contextually. This isn’t a new idea. It’s not even a new idea on your watch in an augmented fashion, but I do think there’s something compelling about it being on your face, seeing what you see, and all the sorts of things that Meta talks about.

And again, having the input method, I think, is key. It's like—

Andrew Sharp

Are you shocked that it's come this far in the last couple of years here?

Ben Thompson

I'm shocked that it's ready to ship at this price point. When I realized that they were talking about it and saying it was going to include the neural band, I immediately assumed we're in the four figures somewhere, and I figured somewhat high in that regard. I was already thinking about my update in my head: “Well, it's good that they're shipping. They're going to have to—this will help get the price down,” and so on. My jaw literally dropped when he said $799.

Andrew Sharp

When you say getting the price down by shipping, how exactly does that work in practice?

Ben Thompson

Because by building stuff, it gets cheaper. You learn how to build it more efficiently. You figure out the things and optimize your processes. Obviously, there are the components that go into it, but the more of a component that's made, the cheaper it gets.

Andrew Sharp

It's easier to reproduce.

Ben Thompson

Because you need all the tooling or whatever that goes into it. So if you invest $1 million in tooling and you make 1 million devices, you need to recoup $1 per device just to pay for the tooling.

Andrew Sharp

Right.

Ben Thompson

If you sell 10 million devices, you only need to recoup $0.10 per device.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

The leverage on your cost gets better, but your yields get better because you figure out how to make it more efficiently, so you're throwing away fewer partially finished items.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

This is just the learning curve that's a critical piece of manufacturing in general. Making stuff makes it cheaper. This is basically a general rule of any physical good.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

That makes sense. The price is pretty incredible. It's a footnote to the conversation about what these glasses are and what they mean for Meta, but the FT had a story this week on Meta's reliance on a Chinese supplier called Goertek to make these products. I was just reminded that a huge benefit of relying on PRC manufacturing expertise has been the ability to disperse cutting-edge innovations at a reasonable price point for consumers. If that sort of dynamic goes away, it will definitely hurt the ability to push the envelope on price the way Meta is doing here.

Ben Thompson

Well, not just price, but also what you build.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

This is the positive side of the critique of Apple building up China's manufacturing. Apple built up this entire ecosystem of capability that every electronics manufacturer benefits from.

Andrew Sharp

Totally. And you look back at some of the ways Apple pushed leading-edge innovations to mass consumers, that just would not have been possible if China didn't exist. Clearly, Meta is now as reliant as Apple is, at least in this area.

4. Shipping Reveals The Use Cases

The other thing that you wrote when you covered this keynote that I really identify with is that I like the idea of just pushing this to consumers and letting them determine what the killer use cases are. That's the other benefit of shipping before you have a great idea of exactly how people want to use this.

Ben Thompson

For sure. And again, even though it's fairly limited, they'll get lots of data on what's actually used, what isn't, and which consumers stick with it. People will buy it and then never wear them. For the ones that wear them, what are they actually using?

I think they already got this to a certain extent by shipping the Ray-Ban glasses, right?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

They sold, I think, better than—

Andrew Sharp

They did pretty well.

Ben Thompson

—than expected.

Andrew Sharp

Yep.

Ben Thompson

And now it seems like there's a real sports focus. They launched their first version of Oakleys over the summer. The new one is very explicitly focused on this. The center-view camera is cool. Maybe it ends up being a killer sports accessory, sort of like how Apple ended up making the Apple Watch about health and fitness—

Andrew Sharp

I was going to say—

Ben Thompson

—the Apple Watch, right?

Andrew Sharp

It's exactly like the Apple Watch trajectory. Apple launches the Apple Watch, they don't really know what the area is going to be, and it gets carved out and turns into a nice little niche for them over the last 15 years.

Ben Thompson

Which is great. With the smartphone, everyone got lazy—not lazy, but the smartphone was so easy. Everyone thought, “Oh, wait, here's the deal. You already have a phone. How about I give you a phone that's 10,000 times more capable, entertaining, and engrossing? Does that sound like a good deal to you? Will you pay an extra $300 for that?”

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

Who's not going to take that deal, right? That was the challenge. I've talked about this in the context of the Vision Pro, where Apple didn't have the muscle of having to create a new product category because the iPhone was trivial. Then, with the AirPods, it's like, “Well, imagine if you had headphones but way better.”

You don't understand this, but you can just imagine it being the case.

Andrew Sharp

Listen, I take—

Ben Thompson

Same thing with—

Andrew Sharp

John Gruber's word for it: the best tech product in the history of civilization, AirPods 3. I might have to check them out based on his endorsement.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, that was pretty wild.

Andrew Sharp

But whereas with all these categories, you have to—it's not just that you have to build a better one.

Ben Thompson

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Sharp

You have to convince people why they should buy one at all.

Ben Thompson

Yeah.

Andrew Sharp

And that's where, for the Watch, the health and fitness thing has ended up being a home run for Apple. Is it a grand slam? No, maybe more of a home run, but a home run is still pretty solid. That's really moving the score along.

Ben Thompson

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Sharp

Moving the runner along. How many metaphors can I fit into this example?

Ben Thompson

And so maybe it's a sports thing. It makes sense for these Ray-Ban glasses. If you're just passively recording and not interacting, in sports you're busy. You don't have time to interact and do lots of other things.

Even there, shipping the Ray-Ban glasses established the foundation for this display one to come out.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

The Mark Gurman article was really good because he had an extended interview with Andrew Bosworth and another Facebook vice president. One of the things Bosworth was talking about was—what's their name? EssilorLuxottica? I can't remember the exact full name.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

They were a little skeptical about putting the Ray-Ban name on these, so they weren't necessarily going to be labeled that. But there was a bit where, number one, they got it small enough and aesthetically pleasing enough that they were willing to lend their name to it.

Andrew Sharp

They felt comfortable.

Ben Thompson

But also, they're happy with the products to date, right?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

They're happy to lend their names to those, so why not extend it just a tad? It probably also helps that Facebook put several billion dollars into the company. That doesn't hurt either.

Andrew Sharp

So do you like the name? The name feels pretty dry to me, and the code name for this project was apparently Hypernova. Meta Ray-Ban Hypernova sounds much cooler to me and conjures the futuristic nature of this project better than Meta Ray-Ban Display.

Ben Thompson

I like the name.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

Because I think it's a name that underpromises, with the potential to overdeliver. They have the Ray-Ban smart glasses. These are the same ones with the display. It's not—at some point, this will be a Hypernova product.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

I doubt it is today. But the goal is what's out there—

Andrew Sharp

So we're taking baby steps right now.

Ben Thompson

—in 5 years, in 10 years.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

That's right. And so: underpromise, potentially, hopefully overdeliver. I went no because I didn't try them.

Andrew Sharp

Well, they release in 2 weeks.

Ben Thompson

I think that's wise.

Andrew Sharp

You're going to have your opportunity. I can't believe how quickly these are going to be in stores.

Ben Thompson

Well, yeah, you have to—

Andrew Sharp

I can't believe it's $800.

Ben Thompson

The closest place to try them is in Chicago.

Andrew Sharp

Oh.

Ben Thompson

Which is not ideal. And then every—it's, like—

Andrew Sharp

Road trip.

Ben Thompson

Booked out for 2 months. Yeah.

Andrew Sharp

Here we go.

Ben Thompson

No, that’s the whole thing. To actually go and try them is going to be about as much trouble as it would have been to just fly to San Francisco, so I really screwed this one up.

5. Meta Reframes The Future Of Computing

Andrew Sharp

Yes. Zuckerberg appeared on the TBPN podcast in Menlo Park. TBPN made the trip. After the keynote, one of the things he said was, “Augmented reality is the future of phones and virtual reality is the future of TVs.” What do you think of that framing?

Ben Thompson

I mean, in a rather stark departure from underpromise and overdeliver, I don’t know. It’s interesting. I did feel like there was a lot of cribbing from Charcuterie in some aspects of this presentation.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

One was the discussion of just-in-time UI and stuff coming up when you want it. That’s obviously something I’ve been big on.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

Suddenly, after skipping it in my interview with him last year—I reminded him about it—Zuckerberg is back on the, “Oh, actually, generative AI is going to solve the asset-creation problem for virtual reality,” which, duh, has seemed obvious to me for years. I’m not—

Andrew Sharp

You’ve been there for about 2.5 years.

Ben Thompson

I’m not sure what happened there.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

I do think all that is interesting and compelling. I think a world where VR is better or preferable to TV does feel like a little bit of a Bugman world. I’m in my little hovel—

Andrew Sharp

I know.

Ben Thompson

—and I can put my VR glasses on and escape—

Andrew Sharp

I have a problem with it.

Ben Thompson

—to a different reality.

Andrew Sharp

I really hope he’s not right about that because virtual reality is personalized—

Ben Thompson

I like having a big-screen TV—

Andrew Sharp

—for individuals—

Ben Thompson

—with a big couch in a big basement. That’s a great advantage of living in the Midwest.

Andrew Sharp

With friends coming over to watch the Packers every Sunday.

Ben Thompson

That’s right.

Andrew Sharp

You know? Not everybody is sitting there in their individual headsets. That’s not how I want to watch TV in the future. He may well be right about that, but I hope he’s wrong. Augmented reality, though—the phone—it really depends on how you define augmented reality, but the phone already is sort of an augmented-reality device, which I think we’ve talked about in the past.

Ben Thompson

It’s interesting because there is this sort of—I’ve written about it, and I think it’s very interesting to incorporate physicality into your analysis of computing.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

So you go back to the initial computers, these mainframes. You had to travel to the building with the mainframe. You would go into the control center, put in your punch cards, run some computations, get them out, and then you could go back and digest them and figure out what they were. It was batch processing, and it was a real physical destination. You had to go somewhere to do it.

And that progressed to where you could go to a terminal that was wired in, and maybe it was in another building even. Amazing. This is where I was doing programming in college.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

You’d go to the terminal with all these Unix stations, and you would get access to the central computer, whatever it might be.

Andrew Sharp

19-year-old Ben just living the dream out there in Madison.

Ben Thompson

Yeah. Well, you could install—was it Telnet or something?—on your Windows PC, but it kind of sucked. It was just easier to be there because of the bandwidth. So anyhow, then you progress to the PC. The PC is in your home or it’s on your desk in your office.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

There’s still a physical aspect: You have to go and sit down at the desk and use the PC.

Andrew Sharp

Right.

Ben Thompson

It’s more convenient, but there’s still a sort of batchability aspect where you go there and do stuff, then you leave and you don’t do stuff. Mobile is with you all the time, so you can compute wherever you are. You can compute in the bathroom.

Andrew Sharp

So I’m on the subway—

Ben Thompson

You can compute on the bus.

Andrew Sharp

—talking to you—

Ben Thompson

You compute on the subway.

Andrew Sharp

—for years when you were in Taiwan, on the other side of the world. That’s what I mean: You’re sort of immersed.

Ben Thompson

Right.

Andrew Sharp

You’re not in your own physical space as you’re computing.

Ben Thompson

That’s right. But the question is: Is that the end state, or is there a step beyond, where there’s actually a difference between pulling something out of your pocket and no longer looking up at the world, but looking down at the thing in your hand and conversing? Is that a meaningful break, in that there’s value beyond that—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—where it’s just sort of with you, and it’s a shift of the eyes as opposed to a hand in the pocket and a bending of the head?

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

Now, again, you say, “Oh, that’s silly.” What difference is there really? Maybe that’s right. That might be the case. I think, in reality, to go back to the limited nature of these glasses and why it doesn’t bother me, I actually don’t think there’s a huge pressure to get a developer story out here.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

I think the phone is the ultimate in-the-app platform. It has sufficient processing power, sufficient connectivity, and sufficiently large screen space that you can kind of do anything on.

Andrew Sharp

It’s hard to compete—

Ben Thompson

And—

Andrew Sharp

—with a killer computer that you can walk around with wherever you go. It’s hard to imagine that any pair of glasses is going to supplant that at some point.

Ben Thompson

I mean, if they do, we’re a ways away. A long time away. So I like this approach: This is in addition to your phone. We’re not replacing the phone here. We’re delivering some unique experiences that are actually better.

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

And the idea is, you buy this not so you can get a worse version of a phone that happens to strap to your face. You buy this—there’s a way that, when I first started doing the paid version of Stratechery, the one guy who had really done this before was, I think, Andrew Sullivan. He had a weird thing: He posted like crazy, and then after 30 posts, you had to pay or something like that. But even then, people would gripe.

Newspapers were introducing paywalls more and more, and every time someone did a paywall, people got upset because you used to have this stuff, and now you’re cutting it off and making people pay.

When I started Stratechery, I started it with the idea, “I’m going to monetize this via subscriptions.” I felt like this was the future business model. I thought it was viable. “1,000 True Fans,” et cetera, et cetera. Stripe had just launched this billing product. I thought, “That is so much better than the PayPal alternative. I think this is going to work.”

But I had to build an audience first. As I built the audience—as demonstrated by the fact that I’m still dropping takes 12 years later—I have a surfeit of takes. I have takes on everything, okay? So we have wife advice, right?

Andrew Sharp

We’re going to take that up at the end of the episode.

Ben Thompson

Wives. I have a take on literally everything, okay?

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

So I’ve never had an issue with coming up with content. But when I started Stratechery, I purposely only wrote twice a week. The reason was, my idea was, when I add a subscription component, I’m going to say, “You enjoy twice a week. What if you got it every day?”

Andrew Sharp

Mm.

Ben Thompson

People would be excited and sort of say, “Oh, I can get more of something that I enjoy and that I’m wanting.” I didn’t want to do more and then cut you off and have people develop a negative feeling. Maybe they’d overcome that negative feeling and still pay, but wouldn’t it be better if, in the user’s mind, it was, “Oh, I’m still getting what I wanted, but now I can get more if I want”?

I just think that’s sort of pay to get more—

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

—as opposed to pay to stop me from taking things away. I think that’s a really critical component. Think about when you want to launch this new category. You’re not replacing the cellular phone. You’re asking people to add something to their life that wasn’t there before.

I suspect—and we’ll see how this works out—but the way you do that is not by trying to do everything when most of it is crappy and worse than the phone.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

You get a couple of little things that are really useful. So the key is going to be—again, I haven’t used it—but I can imagine, at least in theory, delivering a couple of things that, for most people, aren’t going to be worth it.

Andrew Sharp

Yeah.

Ben Thompson

It’s just going to be a cool demo. But for some people, it’s like, “Yeah, this is so useful, and I use it all the time.” Then you have this foundation of a killer use case that is not just additive but aspirational, like, “I want to go do this.” Then you can start layering more and more things on top of that.

Maybe in the long run you end up in a state where you do replace the phone, but you get there by having a beachhead—

Andrew Sharp

Mm-hmm.

Ben Thompson

—that people aspire to, not a collection of crap and people trying to dig through and find the jewels.

6. Glasses Need A Killer Use

Andrew Sharp

Just throwing stuff against the wall. Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense to me. I would say you've been making fun of me, calling me a hater throughout this conversation. I'm actually kind of torn when I look at this product because, on the one hand, I'm a podcast host who's consuming news about technology every week and talking to you about it every week, and on that basis, I salute the ambition that we're seeing from Meta. I think it's really cool, and I totally agree with the idea of them just shipping and letting actual customers figure out how they want to use it and discovering the killer use cases that way. I think that makes a ton of sense.

If I were to play the role of analyst, I would harken back to exactly what you're talking about there. We also discussed it a little bit last week—you wrote about it with The Browser Company—because to change user habits, you have to be so much better to justify changing user habits and justify me, someone who doesn't wear glasses, putting glasses on my face all day, or 6 hours a day, which I think is the battery life, with a 30-hour battery life for the case.

You have to be much better in terms of what you're introducing for people, and nothing that I saw from Meta at the keynote makes me think they're that close to clearing that bar. None of those features really moved the needle for me. I don't need captions from people in my daily life. I don't need live translations. The live translation thing is really, really cool, but I just can't imagine that many scenarios where I would need live translations. And then, if I'm playing the role of human, not podcast host or tech analyst—

Ben Thompson

Well, okay. We'll get to the human in a second.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

Meta is fine, or should be fine, with you being dismissive. You don't even bother trying AirPods. The idea is—

Andrew Sharp

I don't want to charge my headphones. I don't need to lose the AirPods. Yeah, absolutely.

Ben Thompson

Right. I think the modesty of the launch, tied to the name even, is why that's the right approach. What they need to do is—I think their goal is 100,000 units or something like that. They can do that easily without any Andrew Sharps.

Andrew Sharp

Good.

Ben Thompson

And your role in the ecosystem—and I appreciate you—

Andrew Sharp

I sincerely wish them luck.

Ben Thompson

Yeah, I know. Your role is to be the hater and to be the skeptic, and that's fine. After everyone else has them and John Gruber and Dithering in 2035 can say that the Meta Display 27 is the greatest technological product in history, then you can finally go buy version 13.

Andrew Sharp

Gruber got my attention, man.

Ben Thompson

That's fine.

Andrew Sharp

Okay.

Ben Thompson

The rest of us will have enjoyed the journey along the way.

Andrew Sharp

Fair enough.

As a human, I think these glasses are a little bit dystopian. If they were adopted by the mainstream and everybody were just going around and potentially recording conversations and whatnot, I shudder to think about that reality, but I do—

Ben Thompson

Yeah, no—

Andrew Sharp

—acknowledge it's a possibility at some point.

Ben Thompson

I completely agree. That's the reality of these. It's the same with all those AI pendants that listen to everything. To go back to the glasses, even the regular glasses, not the display ones, have this functionality where they could elevate the volume of whoever—

Andrew Sharp

Ah.

Ben Thompson

—you’re talking with, so in a noisy circumstance, which you could see being totally useful. You could also see—

Andrew Sharp

Great age-dropping tool.

Ben Thompson

—totally inappropriate when you're. Yeah, exactly. Right? No, all this stuff, I think, is under-discussed and under-appreciated. It's probably inevitable and inescapable, and I hate it.

Andrew Sharp

Yes. Honestly, I'm sitting there watching the keynote. They screwed up a couple of times at the keynote, and I love that they were doing it live. I love that there were mistakes as I was watching, and I salute how bold and aggressive they're being, despite people like me who've been calling them morons for the last 5 years with all these investments. I really do respect the ambition, but then I'm like, “Oh my God, if the ambition actually pays off and everybody's walking around with these surveillance devices,” that's probably a suboptimal outcome. But I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Ben Thompson

I do appreciate—

Andrew Sharp

—that you've managed to carve out a route for yourself where you can just be a hater whether they succeed or lose. It's perfect.

Exactly. Excited about the future. But Meta was not the only news of the week, because we also had news on Thursday, Ben, and we got an email from Ed who says, “Give me the rundown on this Intel news. More bullshit, or is this something that could actually give them life?” All right, and that is the end of the free preview. If you'd like to hear more from Ben and I, there are links to subscribe in the show notes, or you can also go to sharptech.fm. Either option will get you access to a personalized feed that has all the shows we do every week, plus lots more great content from Stratechery and the Stratechery Plus bundle. Check it out, and if you've got feedback, please email us at email@sharptech.fm.

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