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Dan Dreyfus 在Sohn 2025推介 Mirion Technologies

Dan Dreyfus

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TL;DR
  • Dan Dreyfus 的判断是:全球最有钱的买家——大型科技公司、制造商和政府——“全都处于恐慌模式”,因为大多数都不知道下一吉瓦电力从哪里来。 晶圆厂、超级工厂、钢厂、数据中心、电动自动驾驶车队和热泵改造都在推高需求。即便进行一项完全剔除AI需求的保守压力测试,电力市场仍会供不应求,因为“全世界正在电气化”。“衡量人类进步的标准,将是我们消耗了多少电力。”
  • 推介标的:Mirion Technologies,因为“没有Mirion,就没有核电周期”(there's no nuclear power cycle without Mirion)。 公司主导辐射探测领域;这是强制要求、监管严密的业务,也是核工业安全体系的底座——在三里岛和福岛事故之后,这个行业“根本承受不起再发生一次事故”。“核电第一条规则是安全,第二条规则是别忘了第一条。”
  • 商业模式:70%的收入具备经常性,通常可以持续整个电站80-100年的生命周期——非可选支出,“基本不受衰退影响”。 业绩有3大驱动:现有核电站以前所未有的强度运行;核电站延寿和重启(“Microsoft Azure,由Three Mile Island呈现”);以及新建核电周期。Dreyfus还提到,特朗普政府正在考虑发布行政命令,到2050年将美国核电装机扩大4倍至400 GW,可能需要3万亿-5万亿美元。
  • 数字:2029年每股盈利约1.25美元,按25倍估值——25-30倍工业复合增长股区间的低端——到2028年底股价将达到30美元出头,而目前约为17美元;随着新建核电项目在2030年代升温,上行还会加速。 这是“一只买入并永不卖出”的投资。可比案例是Dreyfus曾任职的那家集团旗下Goldman另一只SPAC、已经涨成9倍股的Vertiv——Mirion“有实力和Vertiv一较高下”。
  • 主持人追问:政治风向会变——Biden上任第一天就叫停Keystone;如果18个月后国会易手,或者3年半后白宫换届,会怎样? Dreyfus给出的答案是算术,而不是政治:一次Google搜索相当于让一只100W灯泡亮3秒,一次AI搜索相当于亮2-3分钟,一次智能体对话则相当于亮8-9分钟。要在不排放“令人发指数量的温室气体”的前提下扩张AI、半导体晶圆厂、生命科学设施和超级工厂,核电是唯一的路径,“其他解决方案基本都是半欺诈”。他还提到,Sierra Club在坚持反核50年后改变立场,称核电很棒;他认为这一转变“具有结构性且永久”,两党都会大力押注核电。
摘要 · 为研究而整理的核心内容

1. 即使AI多头判断错误,电力缺口仍然存在

  • Dreyfus开场指出:那些筹划晶圆厂、超级工厂、钢厂和数据中心的大型科技公司、制造商与政府,“根本不知道下一吉瓦电力从哪里来”;电动自动驾驶车队和热泵改造还在进一步推高需求。
  • 他的压力测试化解了“DeepSeek Monday”之后围绕AI需求的争论:将AI从预测中彻底剔除,“电力市场仍然会供不应求”,因为“全世界正在电气化”。美国面临落后于中国的风险;过去20年,中国一直在建设世界一流电网,“而我们在美国基本什么都没做”。

2. Mirion是核电安全领域的强制收费站

  • 他的判断毫不含糊:“没有Mirion Technologies,就没有核电周期。”辐射探测受到严密监管、属于强制配置,是安全体系的底座——“安全第一,安全至上,始终安全。”
  • 这是他最看重的商业模式:70%的收入具备经常性,通常可以持续整个电站80-100年的生命周期——可预测、非可选支出,“基本不受衰退影响”。
  • 政策顺风仍停留在传闻阶段:上周日有消息称,特朗普政府正在考虑发布行政命令,到2050年将美国核电装机扩大4倍至400 GW——“可能需要3万亿-5万亿美元”,但这是“战略上必须完成的事”。

3. 3条变现路径,以及2029年1.25美元盈利

  • 盈利逻辑有3条:现有核电站“以历史上最高强度运行”,在获得更高收入的同时,为Mirion带来更多需求;核电站重启与延寿(“Microsoft Azure,由Three Mile Island呈现”——如果放在5年前,他会说“绝不可能”);以及“一轮即将来到你身边的新建核电周期”。
  • 估值方面,2029年每股盈利约1.25美元,按25倍估值(25-30倍工业成长股区间的低端),对应2028年底股价30美元出头,而目前约为17美元;到2040年代仍将持续复合增长。可比案例是Goldman另一只SPAC、已经涨成9倍股的Vertiv。“买入并永不卖出。”

4. Keystone问题,以及灯泡式回答

  • 主持人的质疑值得保留:核电“确实已经受到追捧”,但Biden上任第一天就叫停了这条耗资数十亿美元、横跨多个州的Keystone管道——如何量化18个月后国会易手,或3年半后白宫换届的风险?
  • Dreyfus用算术回答:一次Google搜索相当于让一只100W灯泡亮3秒,一次AI搜索亮2-3分钟,一次智能体对话亮8-9分钟。要在不排放“令人发指数量的温室气体”的前提下扩张AI、半导体晶圆厂、生命科学设施和超级工厂,核电是唯一的路径;“其他解决方案基本都是半欺诈”。
  • 他用来证明这一转变具有持久性的证据是:Sierra Club在坚持反核50年后改变立场,称核电很棒。他认为这是“一场结构性且永久的认知转变,两党都会大力押注核电”。
Dan Dreyfus

Thank you. I'd like to begin with an observation. If you put them on truth serum, the deepest pockets in the world are all in panic mode: big tech, manufacturers, and governments. Looking out over the next 5 years or so, as they're making plans to build more semiconductor fabs, more gigafactories, more steel mills, and more data centers, most of them have no idea where they're going to get their next gigawatt of power from.

To throw fuel on the fire, autonomous-vehicle fleets and robotaxis are starting to grow exponentially, and they're all going to be electric. Then you've got commercial buildings swapping out their old gas boilers and replacing them with electric heat pumps. All of this, in aggregate, is going to consume incomprehensible amounts of electricity.

1. AI Accelerates Power Demand

I'm sure we all remember DeepSeek Monday back in January. Ever since then, there's been a debate on AI demand, both for compute and for power demand. I'm personally in the camp that that's going to grow for a really long time. But let's just say that's completely wrong—and it's not. If you ran a conservative stress test on power balances and completely removed AI demand from your demand forecasts, power markets would still be in deficit, because the bottom line is that the world is going electric.

We're going to be measuring human progress by how much electricity we consume. We run the risk of falling behind because we're going to be short on power. So nuclear, which has basically gone from zero to hero from a perception standpoint, is going to play a critical role in bridging this supply-demand gap.

2. Nuclear Becomes Strategic

As you can see on one of our slides, we have a long way to catch up to China, which has been building a state-of-the-art grid for the last 20 years, while here in the U.S. we've been basically doing nothing. But the good news is that's about to change. We got some big news this past Sunday that the Trump administration is considering an executive order to quadruple the size of America's nuclear fleet to 400 gigawatts by 2050.

Now, it's going to cost a lot of money, probably $3 trillion to $5 trillion, but strategically, this is mandatory for the country. We need a fleet of modern, clean baseload power if we want to stay competitive.

3. Mirion Makes Nuclear Safer

Now, let me be unequivocal: there's no nuclear power cycle without Mirion Technologies. In nuclear, there's one rule above all else: safety first, safety last, and safety always. Mirion dominates the nuclear radiation-detection space. Radiation detection is the backbone of safety for all nuclear power plants. It's heavily regulated, and it's mandatory.

After finally recovering from Three Mile Island and Fukushima and getting public perception to embrace nuclear again, the nuclear industry simply cannot afford to have another accident. So, again, rule number one in nuclear is safety, and rule number two is don't forget rule number one.

4. Recurring Revenue Drives Resilience

The 2 things I love most about Mirion's business model are, one, its multidecade growth profile, and two, its resiliency. 70% of the revenues are recurring and usually last for the life of the whole nuclear plant, which is around 80 to 100 years. So you have massive duration to your cash flows. These revenues are super predictable, nondiscretionary, and effectively recession-proof.

5. Three Engines Power Growth

To simplify, Mirion makes money in 3 ways. First, as existing nukes run harder, they get paid more. These nukes today are running as hard as they've ever run. Higher utilization means more demand.

Second, they're cashing in on plants getting life extensions and restarts. Every reactor that's getting a second lease on life needs Mirion. We all saw Microsoft firing up Three Mile Island again. 5 years ago, if you told me that Microsoft would be doing a deal to reopen Three Mile Island, I would have said, "Not a chance." But here we are: Microsoft Azure, brought to you by Three Mile Island.

Finally, a big nuclear new-build cycle is coming to a theater near you. New reactors are going up, and Mirion's going in. Based on the backlog of new builds, this creates a powerful earnings-growth algorithm that should allow them to grow for decades.

6. Mirion Targets Decades Of Growth

So, quick history. Mirion went public in 2021. It came public through a Goldman SPAC. Goldman did 2 SPACs, which actually came out of the group that I used to work for back in the day. The first SPAC was Vertiv. That's been a 9-bagger. The other SPAC is Mirion. I'll tell you, I think over time, Mirion's got what it takes to give Vertiv a run for its money.

In conclusion, if you do the work, you'll probably come to a similar answer as we did. Mirion should do around a buck and a quarter of earnings in 2029, which from there should really continue to compound at potentially an accelerated rate into the 2030s, because that's when the new-build cycle really starts to heat up.

Industrial growth companies with high barriers to entry and big growth trade at 25 to 30 times earnings. At the low end of that range, putting a 25 multiple on it puts Mirion in the low 30s by the end of 2028, up from about 17 today. More importantly, this is a compounding engine that's just going to keep going into the 2030s and the 2040s. So it's one of these buy-and-never-sell investments.

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Dan. I think most of us would agree in this room that nuclear has certainly caught a bid, if you see the stocks, the uranium stocks as well. The question is: You talked about Trump and the support for the nuclear program, but as we know, the political winds can shift very quickly, and let's say they do.

I remember when Joe Biden came into office, the first thing he did on the first day in office was completely kill the Keystone pipeline, which was a multibillion-dollar, multistate program. How do you quantify, mitigate, and think about that potential risk in the next year and a half if Congress changes power, or in the next 3.5 years if the White House changes power?

7. Nuclear Answers The AI Power Crunch

Dan Dreyfus

So, a typical Google search: If you take a regular 100-watt light bulb, that would be like turning that light bulb on for 3 seconds. Then you do an AI search, and that would be consuming the amount of power of keeping that light bulb on for 2 to 3 minutes. Then you do an agentic conversation with AI. That takes up the amount of power of keeping that light bulb on for 8 to 9 minutes.

The only way we're going to scale AI, semiconductor fabs, life sciences facilities, and gigafactories without emitting an obscene amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is through nuclear. There's no other way. The rest of the solutions are basically semifraudulent if they're telling you that they can do it.

I thought it was encouraging that even the Sierra Club changed its tune after 50 years on nuclear. In 2024, it came out and said nuclear is great. So I think there's been a structural and permanent perception shift where both sides of the aisle are going to be leaning into nuclear in a big way.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Dan.