# (Preview) Apple Enters the Uncanny Valley, The SpaceX Play for Cellular, Q&A on The Ringer, Smartphones, AI Parenting Sharp Tech · 2026-10-15 · 24 min · https://sharptech.fm/member/episode/preview-apple-enters-the-uncanny-valley-the-space-x-play-for-cellular-q-a-on-the-ringer-smartphones-ai-parenting ## Transcript Andrew Sharp Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Sharp Tech. I’m Andrew Sharp, and sitting across from me in a hotel room, Ben Thompson. Ben, how are you doing? Ben Thompson Well, not just sitting across from you. We’re sitting on the floor in solidarity because your desk chair is the creakiest chair in history. Andrew Sharp It’s a great setup today. I sat down in the guest chair and thought, “Ah, this actually isn’t going to work.” The desk chair—that is not— Ben Thompson Yes. Andrew Sharp —the guest chair. Ben Thompson Yes. The guest chair is fine, but I felt bad for you, so I’m also sitting on the ground. Andrew Sharp So we’re both sitting Indian-style here, recording a podcast as God intended. How are you doing? Ben Thompson I’m doing okay. I’m just excited to give my life completely to Apple, I think, is where we’re at. Andrew Sharp Well, that’s where we’ll begin today: the HomeView. I’ll read the beginning of Apple’s press release. They released the HomeView this week: “Designed to be central to the home and personal to everyone in it. With a stunning seven-inch Liquid Retina display, HomeView brings entertainment, connection, and smart home management together in one place. From playing music and making FaceTime calls to home monitoring and hands-free automations with voice control, all designed with privacy and security at the core.” And Siri AI will be baked into that product, throughout it. The announcement was paired with a commercial showing the HomeView at the center of a family kitchen, with a family that has three teenagers. Many people found the commercial very stressful and dystopian. What was your reaction to it? Ben Thompson Yeah, I guess we should start with the commercial because I think this is one of the worst marketing videos ever. Andrew Sharp It was shocking. Ben Thompson You almost have to put it out of your mind to even talk about this product— Andrew Sharp Like, evaluate the product— Ben Thompson —in any sort of positive way. Andrew Sharp —objectively. Ben Thompson Yeah. It was bad on multiple levels. Number one, I think technology should make your life easier. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson The impression you got from this device was that it was making everyone’s life more difficult and more challenging. It was increasing the stress level. Andrew Sharp They were fighting over the HomeView at one point. Ben Thompson Well, also, Dad puts a recipe on there to make French toast. Setting aside whether you really need a recipe to make French toast, we actually know the answer is no, you don’t. While he’s cooking, Mom takes the HomeView to look at her calendar. Andrew Sharp And he figures it out. Good for him. Ben Thompson He figured it out, so I guess he didn’t really need the recipe that much. It’s funny because that is actually a small, compelling use case. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson Someone showed, I think in person, how you bring your iPhone up next to the device, it seamlessly passes over, and then, boom, a recipe pops up. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson That actually looks— Andrew Sharp —useful on a bigger screen. Ben Thompson Right. And it’s always on. You can have your phone on a little mount, but then you have to deal with the phone going to sleep, and it’s kind of a big pain. There are little use cases here. The long and short of it is that the video left me longing for an overly packaged, sterile Apple product launch video. I thought, “Okay, maybe you had it right.” There are aspects of this that I think are actually getting short shrift from people generally because the video was so bad. Almost everything in the video was also like, “Just do it on an iPhone.” Andrew Sharp Yeah. That’s definitely one of my reactions to the product itself. People were saying the commercial was giving them a panic attack and they couldn’t even finish the video. It was three and a half minutes—or 3 minutes and 13 seconds long. Ben Thompson We do our research here. Andrew Sharp I looked at it right before we came on, and it took some endurance to make it through this stressful morning with all these teenagers. As a parent, I think an outsider looking in on parenting would say, “Holy crap, I don’t want any part of that.” Parenting two toddlers, for instance—and I’m sure teenagers have a whole different spectrum of stresses and whatnot. What I found depressing, though, was that seeing them use more technology is not what I would want to romanticize. That was the piece of it. Everybody has these stressful mornings, and there’s some tenderness to it. I don’t actually hate it, but the product at the center of it—and more technology in that context—is not really a good thing. Ben Thompson I would just refine that slightly. Number one, the whole family is together for breakfast. Andrew Sharp Right. Ben Thompson There’s something kind of charming about that, right? Andrew Sharp That’s the thing. There’s a charm to the chaos that you only experience if you’re actually a parent. Ben Thompson That’s right. The issue, I think, is not that there’s more technology; it’s that there are more screens. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson This is one where I think the way to understand this device—and the way to understand the Apple TV, given they kind of made it more expensive and more capable—is that this is about Siri AI. But it almost speaks to Apple being a device company, and maybe just a lack of confidence in Siri AI. You open with the press release, and they don’t get to Siri AI until the fourth or fifth sentence. Andrew Sharp Yep. Ben Thompson And this is a device that only makes sense in the context of Siri AI. Andrew Sharp If Siri AI is really good and transformative. Ben Thompson If you’re with your family and you want to know something— Andrew Sharp —you can just talk to the device. Ben Thompson It would be convenient to be able to just talk to the device. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson You’re still looking at your family. I do think there’s this vision of a sort of ambient assistant that’s there, that you can just pick something up on. But I don’t need this device to have another way to look at my iMessages from, like, my boyfriend I don’t want my family to know about. How realistic is that? I’m just going to use the device in the middle of the counter that I don’t want anyone to see. Andrew Sharp Or the whole family gathers around to watch the security cameras out front. Ben Thompson Right. It’s so funny, because I just recorded with Gruber. It’s not posted yet, but he was more negative than me. Andrew Sharp Hmm. Ben Thompson I came into this saying, “Look, I already said a week ago I have no interest in this.” So I was trying not to be too negative, and I felt like I came across as more positive, even though I’m not super positive about this product. That’s in part because I can see there’s something here. Andrew Sharp Okay. Ben Thompson There’s something about, for example, recipes next to the stove. There’s something about being able to have doorbells or cameras and having it all just work. If you get it all from Apple, that was, I think, the most encouraging thing: their partnership with LG and Schneider Electric for these devices. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson No apps, no logins. You just buy them, and they work. That’s exactly the angle Apple should be going for: you go all in with us, and you’re going to get all these capabilities people are talking about, but you don’t have to do all the hard work to stitch them together. Andrew Sharp And we just make it easy. Ben Thompson That did not get conveyed in this video at all. Andrew Sharp Yeah. It’s funny because a friend of ours reacted to the commercial on Tuesday and said, “This is the polar opposite of the iconic iPhone Christmas commercial.” The iPhone Christmas commercial benefited from having a product to advertise that everybody wants and that solves all sorts of problems for everybody. I just don’t know that right now this solves that many problems for anybody. Ben Thompson But I think this is the challenge in any new category: you have to highlight points of pain, make people aware that they actually have this need, and then show how this product solves it. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson The problem is this commercial just failed. That’s why I said we have to start with the commercial in part to get rid of the commercial. I feel like this idea of having an Apple device—let’s zoom out. The commercial sucks. Put it out of your mind. Andrew Sharp Well, I think the commercial sucks because the product sucks, to be clear. Ben Thompson Which is fair, but I think the commercial sucks more than the product. Andrew Sharp Okay. Ben Thompson At least the theory of the product. Andrew Sharp Fair enough. Ben Thompson The theory of the product. There’s this world where you have things like doorbells, recipes next to the stove, thermostats, or “What’s my calendar like today?” I have bits and pieces of this. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson I have a display right next to the entrance of the mudroom that has my calendar on it, the weather, and a rotating set of pictures. It’s actually quite delightful. Everyone always enjoys it. Everyone looks at the pictures when they’re up there. It’s very useful to glance at it and see what the weather is— Andrew Sharp I love it. Ben Thompson —and see what the calendar is. Andrew Sharp I go to your house, I see your family photos. It’s terrific. Ben Thompson One of the issues I had with putting it there was that I was putting my calendar right there in the kitchen, where anyone could see it. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson That’s actually a valid use case. To set this up, I have this thing called DAKboard. It’s a Linux distribution that runs the display, and it’s kind of shaky. I have to reset it every week because there’s a memory leak in the app, and it sort of stops working. You have to wire it together, and it’s connected to a folder with my iCloud. There’s a lot of fidgetiness involved in getting it to work. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson Once it worked, it was great, and I love having it. I first set up that DAKboard concept in Taiwan about a decade ago. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson It’s so great. It is genuinely useful. Everyone knows exactly where to look to get the weather. I know exactly where to look to get a handle on my calendar for the day, and the pictures are delightful. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson But it’s a pain to set up. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson Right? This is— Andrew Sharp So streamline that for normies, and maybe there’s a product. Ben Thompson Yeah. That’s just one small example of what Apple at its best is. The nerds can set something cool up, but you’re not a nerd; you’re trying to live your life. Wouldn’t it be nice to have some cool photos— Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson —in the kitchen? And, in this specific setup, you can see your calendar, but not everyone can see theirs. I can see the value in that. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson Right? Number 2: I mentioned the recipe thing. It sounds trivial, but I use— Andrew Sharp It does sound trivial, for the record. Ben Thompson Number 1: Do you cook? Andrew Sharp I cook a little bit. Ben Thompson Do you ever use ChatGPT or recipe apps? Andrew Sharp No, but my wife does. My wife uses ChatGPT for recipes pretty religiously at this point. Ben Thompson Yeah. I use ChatGPT, and I also have a great app called Paprika. You can send any webpage with a recipe to it, and it ingests everything and puts it in an easy-to-read display. It makes it easy to scale recipes—2x, 3x, whatever. It’s a great app. The problem is that I have a little MagSafe stand in the kitchen where I can put my phone to look at the recipe while I’m cooking, but— Andrew Sharp But then it just goes to sleep after 5 minutes. Ben Thompson —the phone goes to sleep, and your hands are messy and all that. Someone posted a separate video on Twitter with this idea: I could have my recipe on my phone, and basically just put it next to the other device. Andrew Sharp Tap it. Yeah. Ben Thompson You don’t even tap it. Andrew Sharp Okay. Ben Thompson It just works because you can do the thing with 2 phones right now where they come together and you use AirDrop. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson Maybe it’s using AirDrop. I’m not sure. But, boom, it’s there. It’s always on, it’s not going to disappear, and it’s easy to reference in the kitchen. I should be able to talk to it and ask, “What’s the next ingredient?” The fact that it sounds trivial in some respects is actually the point. Andrew Sharp Okay. Ben Thompson It’s little edges in life that this can make much nicer and much better. That use case by itself would be worth, what is it, $300 or $350 to me. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson I might get it just for a recipe display. Andrew Sharp Interesting. Ben Thompson No, because it’s honestly super annoying. Your phone just goes to sleep all the time, and your hands are dirty. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson There are little pieces here. Or take smart thermostats. I have a home automation system, and my thermostats are made by another company. The integration breaks constantly. It’s such a pain, and the apps are all terrible. So the idea that I could just buy this one from Apple— Andrew Sharp One interface to control every thermostat. Ben Thompson —and it just works. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson Right? There’s a real opportunity. Or doorbells: someone shows up, and you can see who’s at the door. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson My doorbells are from a different company than my home automation system, and the link breaks all the time. It’s super annoying. I actually got the doorbells from Ubiquiti as a backup because I don’t trust them to go through my home automation system. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson All this stuff is genuinely useful, and no one should be doing any of it because it all sucks. Andrew Sharp So somebody should be able to just do it in one place. Ben Thompson There’s an opportunity. I’ve been on Apple to do home stuff for ages for this reason. It actually is useful— Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson —if it works, and Apple at its best delivers stuff that just works. Andrew Sharp Yeah. You’re selling me, I’m not gonna lie. As I’m sitting here Indian-style across from you, I’m envisioning a future. Having an iPad that could control my entire house would be appealing to me. Ben Thompson People are going to say, “Why don’t you get an iPad?” Because an iPad is a battery-powered device that makes different compromises than these sorts of things. Now, here’s the flip side. Andrew Sharp Okay. ### AI Breaks Apple’s Home Advantage Ben Thompson I just came across a tweet. It was very good timing. Someone vibe-coded an entire menu bar app for their Mac where the AI figured out the interfaces to all their different smart devices and how to control them, then put them all in one place. The person scanned their house, and it constructed a visual. They can click on it, see their whole house, click on different items, and control them. It’s insane. Andrew Sharp Mm. Ben Thompson The reason to bring this up isn’t that this product, this vision of what Apple is bringing, wasn’t incredibly compelling a year ago, 2 years ago, or 3 years ago. Andrew Sharp Fancy. Ben Thompson I would have been sitting here saying, “Yes.” I’ve been saying Apple should do more in the home for ages. Now I sit here and say, “Do you know how I’m going to fix my thermostat problem?” Andrew Sharp I’m gonna fix my thermostat problem. Ben Thompson I’m going to, and it’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be spectacular. It’s funny: you’re doing the home stuff, and you’ve been doing it for years. Do I want to lock in to all progress on my home stuff being limited to what Apple deigns to do or design, or do I want to actually be able to do lots of new stuff? Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson Which means I don’t want to be in the Apple ecosystem. Again, with this product a year or 2 ago, I think I could have been remarkably full-throated. It’s amusing to me that I appear to be more half-throated— Andrew Sharp Seriously. Ben Thompson —but— ### Apple’s Creative Exhaustion Andrew Sharp From my perspective, watching the commercial and reading the press release, it strikes me that Apple is creatively exhausted right now and trying to find reasons for a product like this to exist—not just because the creative itself was a complete disaster. The recipe thing reminds me of the Vision Pro: it’s supposedly so useful for surgeons, and there are going to be all these different use cases. It turns out there isn’t really any utility to the Vision Pro beyond being an entertainment device that’s enjoyed by me and maybe 50 other people in the United States. I’m curious to see whether they can execute on this and find other use cases that people find compelling. That will be the question, and I’m just not sure. I’m certainly not a believer that there will be. ### The Siri AI Trust Problem Ben Thompson The issue is that this is ultimately—again, it’s weird Apple didn’t sell this—but this only makes sense as a Siri AI device. That is the core interface. Do you trust Siri AI? Andrew Sharp That’s the issue, for sure. Ben Thompson The Apple TV, I thought, was interesting. This is actually a good example of the issue. It’s almost as if this product is in an uncanny valley. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson On one end, you have the Fire TV Sticks, Google TVs, Rokus, or whatever. It’s always been bizarre to me that Apple never went further downmarket with the Apple TV device. Even before the price increases, I think it was $150 to get in, then it jumped up to $200 or more. And the form factor was kind of annoying, because you had this box that needed an HDMI cord, as opposed to something you could just plug into the back of your TV. So especially if you wanted to travel with it—which, again, is a weird edge case—it was less convenient. They were more expensive, but it was still great. People like the user interface. You like the user interface. It’s very powerful, so there’s just more you can do. If you want to have, say, four different streaming services through channels, as we’ve sort of discussed. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson And this new product, instead of going downmarket, they actually raised the price even more. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson So now it’s $300, and they— Andrew Sharp How will it be better? Ben Thompson Well, the big reason it’s more expensive is that now it has a far-field microphone. Andrew Sharp Okay. Ben Thompson So basically, you can talk to it. It’s another Siri AI device. And I assume you talk to it not just to control your TV, but to ask, “What’s on my calendar?” or “Who’s at the door?” or “Turn up the temperature.” It’s part of this home ecosystem they’re trying to deliver, but they didn’t talk about that. They talked about devices. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson “We have a new Apple TV. We have a new HomePad,” instead of, “We have a new home ecosystem, of which these are component parts.” It was a weird framing. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson The uncanny valley, though, is that I’m on the extreme side—not the representative customer—but I have a bunch of Apple TVs, all of which are down in my rack in the basement and piped to my TVs around the house. Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson So for me, a more expensive one with a microphone is totally useless. It’s not even part of my use case. Again, I’m not the representative customer, and I’m not saying that’s the case. But when you’re going upmarket and making your stuff more and more expensive, the likelihood that you’re getting to a consumer who actually wants way more—way more control, way more possibilities for integration, and doesn’t want to be constrained to just your devices—is increasing. And the customer who just wants Apple to do it for them: are they going to pay $300 for an Apple TV device? Andrew Sharp Right. Ben Thompson It’s in this weird middle ground. Andrew Sharp Well, what are the far-field microphones actually going to deliver? What’s the utility of Siri AI? In the press release, they talk about it being “profoundly more capable and conversational,” with “broad world knowledge” that powers richer music discovery and on-screen awareness. I think the issue is that Siri AI is so inferior to what you can find and use elsewhere. For all of those use cases, I’d rather use a different AI than Siri AI. And a lot of the other use cases are just as well served by an iPhone or an iPad. That’s where Apple is in an uncanny valley: their other products are so great, and their AI products are a non-event and often frustrating. Ben Thompson Right. That’s exactly what I’m talking about. If you’re aware enough of the possibilities of, say, a smart home— Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson —such that you’re going to buy a HomeView and an Apple TV with a far-field microphone, you’re going to get all these capabilities. You’re going to go buy a thermostat and a lock— Andrew Sharp That person is currently using far better AI right now. Ben Thompson Exactly. Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson That’s exactly it. And that’s the challenge I think they’re facing. I do think this vision—again, it’s frustrating. I feel like I’m articulating the vision better than they did at this event. Andrew Sharp And the vision you’re articulating is clearly a product category that should exist. I just, amazingly enough, don’t really trust Apple to do it at this point. Ben Thompson Well, I was already thinking about my article next week, and it was going to be some variation of “Do you trust Apple?” Andrew Sharp Yeah. Ben Thompson It’s a play on, obviously, their— Andrew Sharp Their whole thing is trust. Ben Thompson —their whole thing is trust. Right? Trust us with your data, and all the stuff they did with this, like, “You only see your stuff when you look at it.” Again, I can see the use case. But is that actually the most important thing for this product? Actually, a general screen for everyone is more useful. The real issue is: do you trust Apple to deliver a good product if the root of the product is good AI? Andrew Sharp Mm-hmm. Ben Thompson Yeah. Andrew Sharp I don’t. Ben Thompson I don’t. Andrew Sharp I don’t. And I also don’t want a giant screen that my whole family is going to be fighting over in the mornings as we’re getting out of the house. Ben Thompson It’s not that big, I think. From what I understand— Andrew Sharp Well— Ben Thompson —it’s pretty small. Andrew Sharp Bigger than an iPhone, and— Ben Thompson Yeah. Andrew Sharp —still, we don’t need more screens in our family lives. You would think Apple would be clued into that, but again, it’s kind of hard if you’re advertising a product that’s an additional screen for the entire family. Ben Thompson I’m dialing in on the cooking screen. Underrated. They should just give me the cooking use case. Andrew Sharp Maybe. Look, I have to keep my recipes very, very simple. I’ll run it by my wife and see what she thinks. Shifting gears here, other news this week: The Wall Street Journal reported, “SpaceX reached a deal to buy cellular spectrum licenses from investment firm Grain Management, its biggest move yet into a wireless market dominated by traditional telecom companies.” All right, and that is the end of the free preview. 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